Rules is rules: Security

[Necuno]

So this morning I approach the turnstile at work where you have to swipe to enter. Now afaik you must use your own card, you can't buddy swipe or let someone pass with you. This is simple because it contributes to the security of the building.

Now on approach I get a friendly smile and greeting, which I'd register as weird. So I greeted back being courteous and then was asked to buddy swipe or double walk the turn tile so that that person may enter. I replied that where is his card and got response of at home. Then responded with that he has to sign in at reception which is procedure.

I continued in and started climbing the stairs. However someone else let him in on their card and took flight to the stairs to catch me and he did when then proceeded with angrily asked me WTF, WTF is wrong with you (not swearing, but he might as well). So I reiterated that rules is rules and you have to obey them for security sake. Anyways so he didn't go strait to reception to sign in, but continued his dismay at me while ascending the stairs ending with "I can't believe there is people like this" and left to his cubicle.

Now I know he's playing on my must to help him because he is in need of help and I denied his ask for help so that makes me a dick beyond dicks. I really didn't expect that kind of reaction to be followed up stairs, kakked out and being marked as an ******* for following the code at work. To note reception signing is really an ease and I had done it few times forgetting my card.

I have to wonder how did he get into the basement parking in the first place. Then second if he said he was going to reception why did you kept running up the stairs to talk to me and then just proceeded of to his desk.

So I'm an ass it seems

 

[Sinbad]

report him. If he's in the building without an access card and without signing in, he is 1) a security risk and 2) in danger should there be a fire/evacuation as there is no record of him being in the building. So if he doesn't show up at roll call no-one will go looking for him.

 

[luxe]

From his point of view, he's thinking he would have helped you.

Can't really blame either of you...

 

[Necuno]

report him. If he's in the building without an access card and without signing in, he is 1) a security risk and 2) in danger should there be a fire/evacuation as there is no record of him being in the building. So if he doesn't show up at roll call no-one will go looking for him.

I should have, he's just one of those that's very confrontational which I should ignore or also note to proper people if it becomes an issue.

From his point of view, he's thinking he would have helped you.
Can't really blame either of you...

I don't even let people drive into security complex if they don't have remote for me same thing applies as to work and swiping.

 

[_Jakes_]

Phone the security manager and report the security guard.

 

[killadoob]

He is a chop, sure we all want help in a situation like that but if this was a country where people didn't get murdered and crime wasn't so bad i could understand his anger but it's not so F him.

Bloody tosser.

 

[The_Unbeliever]

You did the right thing, proffet.

I'll also do the same.

No tickee, no entree.

Besides, if everybody decide to conveniently "forget" their cards at home, then that would be a huge security risk.

If you're the BOFH, restrict his network access :twisted:

 

[Celine]

so the guy that swiped him in, entered the building twice according to the register?

 

[xrapidx]

Report him.

 

[Messugga]

so the guy that swiped him in, entered the building twice according to the register?

Evidently there are some security issues in their system. Normally one would implement anti-passback, exactly to combat situations like these. The security manager should be informed.

 

[The_Ogre]

At our building we have fingerprint scanners at each turnstile. Less hassle, although some would debate its less hygenic

 

[b_crazy]

so the guy that swiped him in, entered the building twice according to the register?

I might be wrong but from the places I know, you can't swipe in twice without swiping out first.

 

[h0ll0w]

Can't really blame either of you...

haha, of course you can, as prophet said rules ARE rules. He could get in serious **** if he was caught swiping someone else in. The employee could have been fired the previous day and is now looking to gain unauthorized entrance for malicious purposes.

So again, yes you can blame the guy trying to jippo the system.

I don't understand why people need to be reassured of this.

 

[PapercutPrincess]

I'd have done the same, don't worry.

At Wits, people always hang around the outside of the libraries and labs and beg you to let them use your card to get in because they forgot theirs. It's annoying because how do I know that they are really a student? What if they're a criminal with weapons in the bag or something like that? They're more than likely a student but I'm not going to chance it haha...

There's also plenty of signs around that say "don't double swipe" or "don't go two people in the turnstile" because it is against the rules ... So it isn't like people don't know not to do this, they know very well that it is against the rules. I'm not going to partake in rule-breaking activities that could get not only the other people in sh*t, but me as well.

 

[FNfal]

haha, of course you can, as prophet said rules ARE rules. He could get in serious **** if he was caught swiping someone else in. The employee could have been fired the previous day and is now looking to gain unauthorized entrance for malicious purposes.

So again, yes you can blame the guy trying to jippo the system.

I don't understand why people need to be reassured of this.

This ^^^^^^^
if he said some thing to me like that i would have told him to feck off
AFIK circumventing security procedures in a company will lead to a disciplinery

 

[Maddmatt]

He's just a w**ker.

@PapercutPrincess: Seen the same at UKZN. Although I've had to ask people to do the same for me when I needed to talk to a staff member that was based in a post-grad lab, people would just swipe you in no problem.
Although my uni here in NZ has no such security measures, anybody can walk in anywhere.

 

[The_Unbeliever]

Was in some security places, most notably ████████ and █████████.

Rules are tight, you get your access card/biometrics etc in order to enter/exit.

One recent place had a combination of biometrics (fingerprint) AND access card... It's a PITA. But it's for the safety of the employees as well.

In one of my places of employment, I found that some employees had a way of jippo'ing a security door so that it'll stay open so that they don't need to swipe their cards - removed the jippo and security was back to normal.

You can make a place as secure as Fort Knox, but it all comes down to the human factor - one careless/lazy employee will render any tight security null and void.


In my experience, biometrics (fingerprinting) coupled with an access card is very secure, and provides a fallback should one system fail. But, as said, it's major kramp in the butt.


How secure are biometrics (fingerprint readers) by the way?

 

[ABCpt]

Hopefully HR notices that he 'wasn't at work' today and deduct one days leave. That should teach him to follow procedure.

 

[Messugga]

How secure are biometrics (fingerprint readers) by the way?

Depends on the model. The ones we use has an adjustable threshold for a match to be classified as successful. Some models are incredibly secure while others are not so much.

 

[Zyraz]

How secure are biometrics (fingerprint readers) by the way?

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/22/digital-fingerprint-door-lock-defeated-by-photocopied-print/

Mythbusters fool fingerprint scanner with a photocopy ...

There's an old adage in the security community that any lock can be picked. Well in this modern age of digital doorlocks with fingerprint scanners, you can't exactly pick them with a bump key, nail file or other such assorted tools, now can you? Luckliy for budding criminals, the smart cats on "Mythbusters" discovered that one of these "never been broken" digital fingerprint scanner locks (they didn't cite the manufacturer) -- which also comes with thermal sensors (to detect if there's a real human behind that print) -- can in fact be quite easily duped. So how'd they do it? By copying the master fingerprint onto a piece of latex and attaching it to his thumb, Adam Savage was able to open the lock without a problem. Savage and his team then duplicated the feat by making another copy with ballistics gel. And to top it all off, they did it a third time with a just a photocopy of the master fingerprint and a little saliva. Perhaps our own Marc Weber Tobias should have a word with the makers of these schlocky locks.