SA could be heading for recession: Index

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South Africa is at risk of going into a recession, according to BankservAfrica's Economic Transaction Index (BETI) released on Wednesday.

This was after the BETI for May dipped below zero after five months of decline.

"Not even two extra working days in May, spending around the election, and the inauguration of the president could prop up the numbers," economists.co.za chief economist Mike SchĂĽssler said in a statement.

"Although the possibility of a recession may not be a hard fact as yet, the overall economic transactions are starting to show that all is not well."

SchĂĽssler noted that with international commodity prices of South African exports also in decline, the added pressure is tipping the balance in favour of further shrinkage of the economy.

BankservAfrica corporate reputation head Michael Rubenstein, said May's decline was not the real concern, but rather the continuous overall decline the BETI had shown over the past five months.

The actual monetary value of all transactions grew one percent before adjusting for inflation, while the number of transactions increased 2.5 percent.

Rubenstein said this indicated that the average value per transaction was falling even in nominal terms.

The number of transactions was 84.2 million, which was the third highest on record.

"However, this may only be due to new spending obligations, such as e-tolls, rather than an increase in actual economic activity. Tough times ahead," he said.

SchĂĽssler said the BETI was a near-cast indicator which was a little ahead (by a month or so) of the co-incident indicator.

This did not indicate a further gross domestic product (GDP) decline with certainty, but it made it more likely.

"There is no golden rule between the BETI and GDP growth in exact terms, but it is clear that the year-on-year GDP will decline, especially given the historical connection between the two," said SchĂĽssler.

With other indicators, such as car sales dropping significantly in May, the BETI confirmed the downward trend across the economy.

The only encouraging factor was the positive internet traffic growth over the past year.

"While the big culprit is probably the platinum strike, the fact is that the broader economy is also starting to suffer," he said.

"Overall, the effect of the strike is spreading as the BETI surveys the whole economy..."

SchĂĽssler said the BETI historically showed significant declines in the month after a big strike ended.

"This happened both in 2012 and 2013. With the jury still out on the platinum strike, we definitely have not seen the bottom of the BETI's decline yet, and this does not bode well for economic performance over the next few months.

"With other potential and actual strikes also coming to the fore, the South African economy is showing more signs of decline," he said.


Source : Sapa /mar/jje/jk
Date : 11 Jun 2014 10:05
 
Have a look at the JSE --- dont look like a recession to me -- somewhere out there, there is lots of Money!!!
 
Have a look at the JSE --- dont look like a recession to me -- somewhere out there, there is lots of Money!!!

Everybody keeps telling me that the JSE is a huge bubble that could burst very easily! :eek:

Yes, it has a lot of confidence right now (and I am also invested) but crazy things can happen.
This is a volatile economy.
 
Everybody keeps telling me that the JSE is a huge bubble that could burst very easily! :eek:

Yes, it has a lot of confidence right now (and I am also invested) but crazy things can happen.
This is a volatile economy.

Have you seen what it's been doing over the last 3 days? It's going nuts. Very scary to me...
 
Everybody keeps telling me that the JSE is a huge bubble that could burst very easily! :eek:

Yes, it has a lot of confidence right now (and I am also invested) but crazy things can happen.
This is a volatile economy.

The JSE is in a strange state at the moment, no matter how bad the news or reality it just keeps growing higher. I don't really know how to interpret this other then it is high to extreme risk at the moment.

My tinfoil hat says market manipulation to capitalize now before the looming recession.
 
Have a look at the JSE --- dont look like a recession to me -- somewhere out there, there is lots of Money!!!

I think the JSE's performance is completely divorced from reality. Something's driving a bubble.
How can we have negative GDP growth over the same period as the JSE all share index gains 28-odd percent?

Makes no sense. PE ratio must be going through the roof?
 
I think the JSE's performance is completely divorced from reality. Something's driving a bubble.
How can we have negative GDP growth over the same period as the JSE all share index gains 28-odd percent?

Makes no sense. PE ratio must be going through the roof?

What does one have to do with the other. Just because GDP growth is low, that doesn't mean listed companies aren't increasing profits. They are
 
What does one have to do with the other. Just because GDP growth is low, that doesn't mean listed companies aren't increasing profits. They are

How are they increasing profits if the economy is actually generating less money? Is it sustainable?
 
How are they increasing profits if the economy is actually generating less money? Is it sustainable?

Certain sectors of the economy are hurting. Others are doing really well. Take a walk though the Waterfront or try get a reservation at any high end restaurant. Not a single sign of recession
 
Certain sectors of the economy are hurting. Others are doing really well. Take a walk though the Waterfront or try get a reservation at any high end restaurant. Not a single sign of recession

A bit of confirmation bias there, mate ;) The only people who can afford to go to those restaurants are those not being hurt by a recession - and there will always be some people who can weather the storm.

Fact is GDP contracted Q1 2014. It's looking like contracting again Q2 2014 - the platinum strike was cited as a major contributing factor and that's still not over. 2 successive contractions = definition of recession.
 
A bit of confirmation bias there, mate ;) The only people who can afford to go to those restaurants are those not being hurt by a recession - and there will always be some people who can weather the storm.

Fact is GDP contracted Q1 2014. It's looking like contracting again Q2 2014 - the platinum strike was cited as a major contributing factor and that's still not over. 2 successive contractions = definition of recession.

Yes. But the waiting list for high end restaurants is increasing, sales at the high end shops are doing great, etc etc.
While there might be an recession coming for SA, it is only felt in certain areas. In others, all is rosy
 
Yes. But the waiting list for high end restaurants is increasing, sales at the high end shops are doing great, etc etc.
While there might be an recession coming for SA, it is only felt in certain areas. In others, all is rosy

That doesn't really mean anything. Sales in luxury items continued to grow during the 2008 financial crisis, too. Rich people don't generally care, because they're insulated. Doesn't mean the economy is not in a bad way.
 
That doesn't really mean anything. Sales in luxury items continued to grow during the 2008 financial crisis, too. Rich people don't generally care, because they're insulated. Doesn't mean the economy is not in a bad way.

Absolutely. Wasn't saying the economy as a whole wasn't in a bad way. Was merely saying, parts of the economy are doing very badly, while others are doing well, especially in certain regions. Hence the ability of the listed companies to keep increasing profits.

Sure, if a company targets mineworkers for customers, you will be suffering (ABIL). If you are targeting people with money, you will be doing great (Richmond, Woolworths, Naspers)
 
That doesn't really mean anything. Sales in luxury items continued to grow during the 2008 financial crisis, too. Rich people don't generally care, because they're insulated. Doesn't mean the economy is not in a bad way.
I kinda agree with you.
In the mall close to my gym, 3 restaurants has closed shop.
It's opposite Woodlands in Pretoria.
Everybody is feeling the crunch, Eating out is one of the things that isn't happening that often anymore.

Isn't the waterfront a touristy place?
 
I kinda agree with you.
In the mall close to my gym, 3 restaurants has closed shop.
It's opposite Woodlands in Pretoria.
Everybody is feeling the crunch, Eating out is one of the things that isn't happening that often anymore.

Isn't the waterfront a touristy place?

Yes, but it is still mainly locals. The WC is heavily dependant on Finance, Wine, BPO, etc, and as such we aren't really effected as badly by mining strikes etc. So the WC economy is doing pretty well
 
I kinda agree with you.
In the mall close to my gym, 3 restaurants has closed shop.
It's opposite Woodlands in Pretoria.
Everybody is feeling the crunch, Eating out is one of the things that isn't happening that often anymore.

Isn't the waterfront a touristy place?

Parkview? That mall is a strange place. It's so close to Woodlands that many of the shops were never going to really be sustainable.
 
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