SA Farm Expropriated

Jarrod said:
Let me tell my story. In Nelspruit on my parents plot they have a land claim against them.
Now there are about 30 plots all around them each plot no bigger than 4 hectares. The plot owners had to put in their own boreholes for water and build their own house on the plot. FYI Nelspruit is not the cheapest place to live in as everything is very expensive. All in all my parents bought this land to retire on and they built their dream house on it. All in all they paid just over 1.5 million for the house and the improvements etc. Most of the plot owners around them had done the same some just a bit more money spent.

What can anyone do on a 4 hectare plot? I mean its not big enough to farm on so why does the state want the plot and do you really think that they(the state) will hand over close on 60mill just to take about 80 hectares for the 30 plots?

You work for 50 years pay your taxes save money and now the state want to take your house and give it to someone that claims their forefathers roamed the area 200 years ago? Yes roamed, apparently it was people who moved around with a few head of cattle and when the grass got too short they moved on to the next piece of land. The same people have layed claims to most of nelspruit and surrounding areas.

This is just so wrong and i realy feel angry by what the goverment is trying to do here.

Btw the area they are in is in mountains so one cannot really farm grain mielies etc.
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I'm glad you mentioned the bit about spurious claims. I've also read about that. In fact when a group makes a claim, they don't bother to do much research. Just the word of mouth "my grandfather told me" type of proof is all that is required to get the process going.
Rediculous.
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This argument about market rates is valid. If I offer you R20m today and it takes 2 years for the deal to go through, what is that R20 worth in two years when it comes time to pay>>>??. This is at the heart of the trouble, but the commissioner doesn't like to hear such non-Africa logic :rolleyes:
 
BobbyMac said:
Gavin: I had a very long and in depth conversation with a lawyer involved with these land issues last night at a dinner party. He says that improvements (i.e. houses, buildings and even mechanical installations such as boreholes) are not equated into the government's offer price. Now how the hell is that fair?
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I guess it would be fair to take all your buildings and installations with you when you leave, or even destroy it since it's not bought by the government. They'll still get their land though.
 
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/15/africa/AF-GEN-South-Africa-Land.php

The South African government is considering special farm taxes and other legal measures to persuade big landowners to redistribute their land in favor of the poor, Agriculture Minister Lulu Xingwana said Thursday.
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So basically instead of seizing them a la Zim they'll just make it financially unviable to run them anymore through extreme taxation and then buy them for peanuts? Do they want a nation of subsistence farmers? Don't they realise that farming needs both skills and capital? *sigh*
 
malJohann said:
I guess it would be fair to take all your buildings and installations with you when you leave, or even destroy it since it's not bought by the government. They'll still get their land though.
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From a Special Assignment report a while ago you have to leave all the equipment behind as well
 
The government bought the farm

*thinking* If the government officials had only really bought the farm :rolleyes: Hmmm . . . now that's a thought.
 
Syndyre : You probably find there is some little law or something somewhere that they use, or create....

I personally think its not right, or ethical... Offer me money for the land, fine, include the value of buildings etc, fine.... then you must also include for the equipment on the farm if you want that too, but I just think the gauvamint doesn't see it that way, or doesn't want to.

I would love to know what happens to those HUGE farms that get taken in land claims, that were once commercially viable and profitable...
 
ToxicBunny said:
Syndyre : You probably find there is some little law or something somewhere that they use, or create....

I personally think its not right, or ethical... Offer me money for the land, fine, include the value of buildings etc, fine.... then you must also include for the equipment on the farm if you want that too, but I just think the gauvamint doesn't see it that way, or doesn't want to.

I would love to know what happens to those HUGE farms that get taken in land claims, that were once commercially viable and profitable...
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There was an article on that as well and myadsl discussion :D

70 of the redistributed farms have failed so farm in Limpopo province
 
DigitalSoldier : Yeah, i remember this...was a fun debate :D



but I'm thinking in a much more general term.. percentages etc for the whole country...
 
I dont think this is the same case - but I did hear of a farm owned by some Church which had a claim against it, the Church had agreed to the price but simply had not received the money. There was also the issue of the laborers who's families had been living there for generations - but I am not sure what happened with that.
 
roaming

Jarrod

Since u r an expert in the current land dispute. could u also tell me what compensantion the 'roaming' people were given by the government of those days, if at all there was government.

If not, under what law did that government act to aquire a piece of land that you yourself admitt it was used for cattle farming.

Can u also tell us your source, you say 'roamed the area 200 years ago? Yes roamed,...' . that will be 1807.

I wait for your response ......
 
@26seven
My source was the lawer who are dealing with the land claim .
Where did i say i am an expert? I will try and get a 200 year old roaming man yes roaming from back then so that he can write you a letter at what precisely happend ok?

My point is no one can farm on 4 hectares so why does govermint want the land? Land that was just rock and bush with no water in sight.
I await your responce.......

ps Becasue a few people roamed an area of nearly 100sq kilometers they can lay claim to that land?
 
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ToxicBunny said:
Syndyre : You probably find there is some little law or something somewhere that they use, or create....
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If it was my equipment and I knew the process was inevitable I'd just leave it on the farm and stop providing security for it, if something happens well its not my fault they can't control the crime. :D

ToxicBunny said:
I would love to know what happens to those HUGE farms that get taken in land claims, that were once commercially viable and profitable...
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I've got family in KZN that have a land claim against one of their massive farms, the total claim actually includes 6 big commercial farms. The joke is the land used to belong to the church and the claimants were only renting it, yet somehow they can lay claim to it. :rolleyes: The fact is the farms aren't even really viable any more during the process because who's going to invest money in something you might lose in a few months/years. Also the people making the claim decided to just try and arrive and start squatting so now you have to pay for constant security patrols to remove them before they've been their for 48 hours and actually have a right to stay under these idiotic laws.
 
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