SA needs more IT graduates

protzkrog said:
ja, everyone knows VB, my year group was the last that did JAVA and VB, now they are doing C# and JAVA. Currently I'm coding in C#, had to give myself a crash course in it in 2 weeks. But now all's well. Hard work is the most important thing.
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UCT also only gives VB.net for their IS course. I'm seeing that C# is becoming more popular though, but at least I'll be in the .net framework.

How tough is that crash course to get yourself up to speed on C# once you know VB? I'm hoping to learn both and possibly Java to at a later stage.

Oh and we also have a lecturer from Congo or somewhere, keeps pausing to find English words :(
 
Ekhaatvensters said:
How tough is that crash course to get yourself up to speed on C# once you know VB? I'm hoping to learn both and possibly Java to at a later stage.
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C# is a mix of VB and JAVA, or just JAVA in a .NET framework, easier to build the GUI's, easier to work with DB's. knowing JAVA helped a lot. so for you, not knowing JAVA, eish, it's gonna be a problem.


TelkomUseless said:
My Question is how much do grads think they must earn when they start to work?

When you start.. you earn squat because you KNOW squat. You THINK you know everything (I was there).
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more than 10k a month
 
SA IT graduates are lazy

CITI executive director Viola Manuel says: “More than a simple lack of skills, of which we are all aware, some companies said staff became intellectually lazy shortly after joining them and questioned whether our academia were adequately preparing students to compete in an aggressive international market.”
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CITI executive director Viola Manuel says: “More than a simple lack of skills, of which we are all aware, some companies said staff became intellectually lazy shortly after joining them and questioned whether our academia were adequately preparing students to compete in an aggressive international market.”
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who falls within their scope as IT graduates ? people with degrees from Universities or anyone that did some 6 month IT course at CTI or Damelin or somewhere?
 
McSack said:
SA IT graduates are lazy
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I think thats a very bold and broad statement to imply that (all) IT graduates are lazy.

I think they should be looking at the people...I know ALOT of IT people in the business and still learning. Myself included, and I can say that not 1 single of them is "lazy". Infact, I would say this is one industry where the people involved acutally WANT to learn as much as possible! And doo!

I myself have at least 3 different courses lined up. Each complementing the other...And I will continue to learn as much as possible until my brain pops.
 
I think they're specifically talking about new grads starting their first job. I do agree with them to a certain extent that IT industry is percieved by many outsiders as an easy way to earn plenty money.
But the perception of lazyness also has a lot to do with the way new people are treated in their first couple of months in the industry. I've come across very few companies who "nurture" (god I hate that word) their new people.
More a case of "sink or swim but don't touch anything in case you break it" & "We're all too busy working to show you right now... ask me tomorrow"
 
McSack said:
I think they're specifically talking about new grads starting their first job. I do agree with them to a certain extent that IT industry is percieved by many outsiders as an easy way to earn plenty money.
But the perception of lazyness also has a lot to do with the way new people are treated in their first couple of months in the industry. I've come across very few companies who "nurture" (god I hate that word) their new people.
More a case of "sink or swim but don't touch anything in case you break it" & "We're all too busy working to show you right now... ask me tomorrow"
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When I started at Telkom, I was without a PC at my desk for about two weeks. The only thing that worked was the telephone. I soon ran out of people to call as they all got irritated with me calling all the time.
 
protzkrog said:
10k is at least what all the okes that studied with me are earning now (me included), they are working mostly in JHB and PTA
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:eek: That is shocking! There is no way I will pay any graduate that much. They must really impress with the interview to get 8k! After the first couple of months they get major increases based on the quality they deliver, but you cannot employ a new grad for 10k imo, that is dumping money in the water. They still know nothing, and many will drop out.
 
Chatmaster said:
:eek: That is shocking! There is no way I will pay any graduate that much. They must really impress with the interview to get 8k! After the first couple of months they get major increases based on the quality they deliver, but you cannot employ a new grad for 10k imo, that is dumping money in the water. They still know nothing, and many will drop out.
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i guess we are damn lucky then, or there really is a shortage of IT graduates in the country..
 
McSack said:
straight outa varsity?? Sweet Peter!!! I'm outta touch
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I'm expecting R17000 when I finish Honors CIMA.

A friend of mine also studied Bcom IT and walked straight in to a job earning R16000 a month. She has no IT experience or accounting experience but for what she studied at varsity.

Degrees don't make much of a difference to graduates, we are not much smarter than when we left school. We are older though and more mature, just like everyone else after 3 years. However, from matric we could have gotten the job done.

The degree just proves that we can stick to something for 3 years and make a success of it. Technicons with all their practical experience can say what they want, though people with degrees tend to be much higher up in the corporate structure. That speaks for itself.
 
During the December holiday I received 3 job offers, one from a major accounting software firm. I was offered the job by the executive director after speaking to her for less than a minute about a bug in the system we were fixing. There is a shortage of good IT specialist.
 
edc said:
The degree just proves that we can stick to something for 3 years and make a success of it. Technicons with all their practical experience can say what they want, though people with degrees tend to be much higher up in the corporate structure. That speaks for itself.
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Things aren't always that cut and dry. As a counter point:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north303.html
 
I graduated with my honours degree, BCom(Hons) in IS from UCT last year, and i'm currently getting R15k. First job, started working in January 2007 doing business analysis at a CPT ICT SME.

The market is just fine. JHB jobs also pay alot more.
 
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