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'SA not divided as some think it is'
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konfab
Honorary Master
People with his attitude are part of the problem tbh.
His party still supports policies which require the state to divide everyone up into little political packages where they can then be treated differently according to the winds of politics. If one group is seen doing too well in their eyes, it must only be due to unfair differences, so the state must intervene and fix everything. This approach is always the precursor to bad things.
Not once in the history of mankind has there been a genocide because a state demanded that people be treated equally and be judged as individuals.
Not once in the history of mankind has there been a crackdown of political and intellectual thought because the state guaranteed the freedom of all speech.
These are liberal things the DA used to stand for. They are only moving in a direction away from them now.
His party still supports policies which require the state to divide everyone up into little political packages where they can then be treated differently according to the winds of politics. If one group is seen doing too well in their eyes, it must only be due to unfair differences, so the state must intervene and fix everything. This approach is always the precursor to bad things.
Not once in the history of mankind has there been a genocide because a state demanded that people be treated equally and be judged as individuals.
Not once in the history of mankind has there been a crackdown of political and intellectual thought because the state guaranteed the freedom of all speech.
These are liberal things the DA used to stand for. They are only moving in a direction away from them now.
MrGray
Honorary Master
While I agree with Maimane that we are not as divided as it seems, he is himself (apparently obliviously) one of those doing the dividing with many of his statements about white privilege and the like, not to mention his approach to the Zille hatchet job.
Helen Zille's tweets will not derail us - Mmusi Maimane
East London - During a provincial elective conference, the Democratic Alliance were divided on issues surrounding Helen Zille.
During his key note address party leader Mmusi Maimane said the DA’s sole focus was far too important to have to take a backseat to sideshows and distractions.
"Our project cannot afford to be derailed. Too many people are counting on us to make it work."
He said the DA's cause was "certainly not helped by public discussions and arguments on topics such as colonialism".
"We live in a time of heightened racial tension, the embers of which are regularly reignited by those who stand to benefit from mistrust and division. But we don’t have to buy into it, and we don’t have to fan the flames."
The DA's federal committee formally laid charges against Zille for her remarks on colonialism.
Zille is charged with having broadly brought the party into disrepute and damaging the party, chairperson James Selfe earlier told News24.
Zille's political career hangs in the balance following a series of tweets on March 16, from which the DA quickly distanced itself.
One of her tweets read: "For those claiming legacy of colonialism was ONLY negative, think of our independent judiciary, transport infrastructure, piped water etc."
A second tweet reads: "Getting onto an aeroplane now and won't get onto the wi-fi so that I can cut off those who think EVERY aspect of colonial legacy was bad."
She later apologised for her comments, saying she never intended to defend colonialism.
Maimane said the DA was a party that united people.
"Our core vision that South Africa belongs to all who live in it is shared by the vast majority of South Africans. Outside the bubble of social media, our people are not nearly as divided as some would have you believe.
"The extreme views frequently expressed on Twitter are not shared by ordinary South Africans. And I certainly don’t share these views."
He added that he did not believe that there was a widespread campaign to shut down or delegitimise some citizens as less worthy than others as some fringe racists believe that.
"In the whole, South Africans reject hate and division and just want what is best for their families. I think it is incredibly damaging both to us as a party and to our society as a whole to persist with this narrative."
Putting forward these arguments only serves to place us in opposite corners, and then expects us to defend our corners from those who are different from us, he said. This turns them into opponents and would thus not allow them to engage issues of race.
Maimane appealed for the party to not regress into our racial corners.
Newly appointed provincial leader Nqaba Bhenga however praised Zille as a person who inspired him and transformed his life. Bhanga who was absent during Maimane speech said Zille had worked hard in transforming the country.
"She continues to inspire me, I continue to respect her ideas, I continue to engage and disagree with her. Those are the most important people who transformed my thinking."
When asked to comment on Zille's recent social media posts, Bhanga was quickly shutdown by national spokesperson Refiloe Ntsekhe who said the it was unfair for him to answer on something sitting in a disciplinary hearing.
Bhanga then said he still loved Zille
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/helen-zilles-tweets-will-not-derail-us-mmusi-maimane-20170506
East London - During a provincial elective conference, the Democratic Alliance were divided on issues surrounding Helen Zille.
During his key note address party leader Mmusi Maimane said the DA’s sole focus was far too important to have to take a backseat to sideshows and distractions.
"Our project cannot afford to be derailed. Too many people are counting on us to make it work."
He said the DA's cause was "certainly not helped by public discussions and arguments on topics such as colonialism".
"We live in a time of heightened racial tension, the embers of which are regularly reignited by those who stand to benefit from mistrust and division. But we don’t have to buy into it, and we don’t have to fan the flames."
The DA's federal committee formally laid charges against Zille for her remarks on colonialism.
Zille is charged with having broadly brought the party into disrepute and damaging the party, chairperson James Selfe earlier told News24.
Zille's political career hangs in the balance following a series of tweets on March 16, from which the DA quickly distanced itself.
One of her tweets read: "For those claiming legacy of colonialism was ONLY negative, think of our independent judiciary, transport infrastructure, piped water etc."
A second tweet reads: "Getting onto an aeroplane now and won't get onto the wi-fi so that I can cut off those who think EVERY aspect of colonial legacy was bad."
She later apologised for her comments, saying she never intended to defend colonialism.
Maimane said the DA was a party that united people.
"Our core vision that South Africa belongs to all who live in it is shared by the vast majority of South Africans. Outside the bubble of social media, our people are not nearly as divided as some would have you believe.
"The extreme views frequently expressed on Twitter are not shared by ordinary South Africans. And I certainly don’t share these views."
He added that he did not believe that there was a widespread campaign to shut down or delegitimise some citizens as less worthy than others as some fringe racists believe that.
"In the whole, South Africans reject hate and division and just want what is best for their families. I think it is incredibly damaging both to us as a party and to our society as a whole to persist with this narrative."
Putting forward these arguments only serves to place us in opposite corners, and then expects us to defend our corners from those who are different from us, he said. This turns them into opponents and would thus not allow them to engage issues of race.
Maimane appealed for the party to not regress into our racial corners.
Newly appointed provincial leader Nqaba Bhenga however praised Zille as a person who inspired him and transformed his life. Bhanga who was absent during Maimane speech said Zille had worked hard in transforming the country.
"She continues to inspire me, I continue to respect her ideas, I continue to engage and disagree with her. Those are the most important people who transformed my thinking."
When asked to comment on Zille's recent social media posts, Bhanga was quickly shutdown by national spokesperson Refiloe Ntsekhe who said the it was unfair for him to answer on something sitting in a disciplinary hearing.
Bhanga then said he still loved Zille
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/helen-zilles-tweets-will-not-derail-us-mmusi-maimane-20170506