SA retirement situation worrying: Survey

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Over half of pensioners had a shortfall between their income and expenses in the last year, according to the recently released 2014 Sanlam Benchmark Survey.

Just under 60 percent of retirees were in this situation, compared to 51 percent last year and 33.1 percent in 2011.

"The main contributor is taking money out of the system before they get to retirement," Sanlam employee benefits CEO Dawie de Villiers told Sapa.

"Today, people have freedom of choice. It's in their own hands and they don't save enough and they don't preserve."

The survey has conducted a comprehensive review of the local retirement industry for 34 years.

The latest survey polled over 900 retirement fund members, pensioners, trustees, and principal officers.

It found that one in five pensioners supplemented their retirement income with part-time work.

Almost 40 percent had depleted the lump sums that they accessed at retirement and it took an average of 2.4 years to erode these benefits.

Over 60 percent of pensioners were responsible for adult dependants while 23 percent took care of one or more child dependants.

De Villiers said the picture of an average pensioner had changed dramatically since they first started the survey.

Thirty years ago, South Africa had pensions with defined benefits, where the company promised to pay a specified monthly amount on retirement based on the employee's earnings history.

"It was an incentive to work for a company until you retired. People didn't live as long as they are now so the burden on the company wasn't as big as it is on the individual now," De Villiers said.

In the last decade, the industry had changed to a defined contributions scheme, where employees and perhaps employers contributed to individual accounts.

Only employer contributions were guaranteed, not benefits.

De Villiers said people often took money out of their funds when changing jobs.

This lump sum was used to go on holiday, to pay debt, or for other luxuries and expenses.

However, those who had stayed in the system were also struggling. Their investments were often too conservative and external global economic conditions were an influence.

Another factor was people living longer.

"In the last 60 years, since 1950, the average life expectancy in the world has improved by 20 years. That is more improvement than in the 6000 years before that so it's accelerating quite a bit," De Villiers said.

"We as a society have to adjust to accommodate that. The rules and legislation and way of operating are still the same as 40, 50, or 60 years ago."

He said the industry should seriously consider whether a formal retirement age was necessary.

If it was, the age should be made higher or there should be the option of phased retirement.

Phased retirement meant people started working fewer hours or days after a certain age or, alternatively, were allowed to stay in a pension fund to accrue retirement benefits while in temporary employment.

De Villiers said National Treasury should continue to try catch more people in the retirement net.

"I think there is a big incentive to save for retirement but we must continue to look at those incentives because it is in the whole country's interest to make it attractive."


Source : Sapa /je/hdw/lp/th
Date : 06 Jun 2014 12:39
 
Well we have to finace the ANC and their lavish live styles, we barley have enough to get trough a month. Pension fund has to do. Extra for when you retire? We don't have extra.
 
And sadly the PIC have given away the public servants pensions to some shady mining friend of Number 1.
 
One factor that the Sanlam guy does not mention is that financial institutions seem to be taking increasingly excessive profits from retirement investments. This dilutes what is available to the individual at the end of the day.

Good luck with the scrapping of retirement age. The government is starting to enforce early retirement as part of the second wave of transformation to get the AA figures more correct.
 
However, those who had stayed in the system were also struggling. Their investments were often too conservative and external global economic conditions were an influence.

That's why I have non-retirement, high risk investments in addition to my pension fund.
Most retirement funds and annuities reduce risk the older you get and that is stupid because then inflation gets the better of you.
I hear about so many complaints from pensioners about the low interest rate because their pension/provident/living annuity, etc. aren't doing well in a low interest rate environment.

My opinion is that if your retirement money isn't growing at 15%+ per annum in a high risk investment, up till the age of 65-75 then you're most likely going to come short or you're going to have to save a very large portion (30%+) of your gross income to make up for poor investment returns.

I see plenty of 30 and 40 year old's driving around in fancy vehicles, living it up and they think their extra R1000 per month RA is going to be sufficient to top up their company pension.
Big surprise waiting for them ...
 
Well we have to finace the ANC and their lavish live styles, we barley have enough to get trough a month. Pension fund has to do. Extra for when you retire? We don't have extra.

It has less to do with politics and more to do with poor financial discipline.

I've seen many people take out lump sums to take a break from working, go on holiday and buy that new car. All about priorities.
 
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I see plenty of 30 and 40 year old's driving around in fancy vehicles, living it up and they think their extra R1000 per month RA is going to be sufficient to top up their company pension.
Big surprise waiting for them ...

Agree.

I don't even have a pension (well its got R6K in it) or an RA and I'm 39. I will keep the reasons for another thread but it involved buying a house and getting a university education.

I'm planning to start contributing back into my pension fund from next month and we are looking at other investments. Instead of buying a luxury car, rather buy a flat to rent out. Instead of a bigger house, rather buy another flat to rent out. Also looking into stocks and other investment opportunities.

When I see how my 67 year old dad still needs to work because of how unpredictable life can be, I've learn't to cover all your bases for retirement. Education is important as my one uncle can show you. He lost everything during the recession as he had just retired and his investments imploded. He took the little he had left, completed his Phd and now can still generate an income while enjoying a slower paced life.
 
It has less to do with politics and more to do with poor financial discipline.

I've seen many people take out lump sums to take a break from working, go on holiday and buy that new car. All about priorities.

Agreed, but this is only part of the equation.

Its true that with any savings or pension, compounded value added comes into play. The longer you are in the scheme the more you take out. And sure, people hit their 30s and 40s and use retirement funds as living or playing funds. I have seen this often.

I also think that the defined benefits went down the tubes with the uncertainty associated with inflation and legislation.
Heres the thing - the value of the Rand has diminished substantially over the past 20 or years, and so then too has the value of retirement nest eggs.
While the person planning retirement has little control over the inflation - he or she should be aware of it, and if possible plan for it - it being the fact that R1 today is going to be worth SIGNIFICANTLY less than R1 at retirement.

On the other hand, if the Zim dollarisation type scenario kicks in, all this planning is worthless.

And of course, the current regimes socialist type view also sends a message to the masses that its ok to be poor, because the new regime will bail you out - as long as you hand them power. This doesnt help the masses in the least, and places a burden on those taxpayers who could be gearing up for their own retirement savings.

I am of the humble opinion that its better to give a man a job and let him buy his own house than to give him a house. Unfortunately, SA politics is such, that until the governemnt and trade unions dissociate, and more attention is given to creation of a business friendly job creation climate, things wont get better. Calling mining bosses capitalists and slating foreign investment is simply going in the wrong direction, along with the opportunity to build for retirement. These socialists will become our kids burden unfortunately.
 
The whole idea of a traditional retirement has disappeared anyway. For a lot of people who love their job or run their own businesses the idea of working until you die is not something that they find unappealing. They cannot imagine not working and why should they. The main issue should really be do you have enough money to take of yourself if you become too infirm or too sick to ever work again in your old age. Very few people of our generation will even want to retire at 65. I know people who are starting businesses at 65 and who have no intention of slowing down until the day they drop down dead.
 
That aspect of people living longer as well. I read an article a while back the person who will live to 140 years of age has already been born. I think that the idea of retiring between age 55-65 is very quickly becoming a dream for most working class people.

I see plenty of 30 and 40 year old's driving around in fancy vehicles, living it up and they think their extra R1000 per month RA is going to be sufficient to top up their company pension.
Big surprise waiting for them ...

Spot on...
 
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The whole idea of a traditional retirement has disappeared anyway. For a lot of people who love their job or run their own businesses the idea of working until you die is not something that they find unappealing. They cannot imagine not working and why should they. The main issue should really be do you have enough money to take of yourself if you become too infirm or too sick to ever work again in your old age. Very few people of our generation will even want to retire at 65. I know people who are starting businesses at 65 and who have no intention of slowing down until the day they drop down dead.

I second this. I am feeling up to working my own business until I drop dead. And by the way, I am doing fantastically well this month.
 
What is the affect of the understated inflation figures? Increases are normally based on CPI values, which in turn effects your ability to contribute to retirement funds. If you receive below inflation increases a few years in a row, you will find yourself out of that extra cash very quickly. You suddenly find that the car you had been paying without a problem for 3 years, is suddenly becoming difficult to maintain, etc.
 
The whole idea of a traditional retirement has disappeared anyway. For a lot of people who love their job or run their own businesses the idea of working until you die is not something that they find unappealing. They cannot imagine not working and why should they. The main issue should really be do you have enough money to take of yourself if you become too infirm or too sick to ever work again in your old age. Very few people of our generation will even want to retire at 65. I know people who are starting businesses at 65 and who have no intention of slowing down until the day they drop down dead.


I agree......
 
The whole idea of a traditional retirement has disappeared anyway. For a lot of people who love their job or run their own businesses the idea of working until you die is not something that they find unappealing.

Yip, I know people who were forced to retire due to their age and they're bored out of their skulls or are looking for any excuse to get away from a nagging wife during the day. :)
That doesn't mean one shouldn't have a plan for retirement funding though.
Personally when I reach 65 I want to have enough stashed away to have options such as:
- Start my own business or
- Take a lower paying, fun job
- Use the retirement money for over seas holidays etc. while I work for a basic income.

I want some "play" money when I retire - I do not want the stress of wondering how I'm going to keep food on the table or a roof over my head.
 
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