SA uncapped performance plummets to unacceptable levels

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Note that I am using Mweb here because they are my service provider and my experience is with them. Given comparative rating of service and performance of ISPs in SA, Mweb usually rates highly, if not best overall. By extension, therefore, this message is directed at all ISPs, IAP's and the infrastructure providers who operate in the South African Internet Market Space, in the hope that they regain a sense of pride in delivering quality and value. (They seem to have forgotten.)
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I totally get it that I cannot expect sparkling performance from my shaped, uncapped, 384Kbps service, but I believe that Mweb's performance levels for this product have fallen below an acceptable level.

Skype, my family's cyber staple, is no longer reliable (although I am heartened that an international landline call is cheaper than a local cell to landline call - but that's another matter!)

But even ordinary browsing can be likened to a speech impediment, as Firefox stutters and stammers and sometimes just gives up trying. My email client fails to connect to mweb's smtp server. Understand that these are the high-priority services on a shaped profile.

Trying to FTP upload a 1MB website is an exercise in futility. It appears that network is so oversubscribed that FTP has fallen completely off the shaping policy's priority list. A few (usually 5) logins after FTP timeouts, and you have to wait out a reset period (usually minutes) – more coffee, anyone? Slow is OK, but latency that is worse than a timeout threshold of a commonly used protocol is simply unacceptable.

I have tried to establish from Mweb what exactly their minimum performance levels are, and what measurement criteria are used to determine them. Their technical support call centre certainly have absolutely no idea what a reasonable latency might be, or what tools one might to use to measure it. I've considered using another ISP, but I doubt the others are any better, and I've grown attached to the 15-year-old email address. How much for just an email address? No mailbox, just a forwarder? FIFTY FIVE BUCKS A MONTH! I came away less than satisfied.

Three years ago, SAAS and Cloud Computing were all the buzz. With Mweb shaped SAAS is dead! The Cloud is dead!

Chewing spiders, I called their switchboard and was put through to someone (who has a name, but didn't offer her job title), who was refreshingly interested in what I had to say, and for Mweb's reputation, and undertook to set up a temporary unshaped account for me to test.

Kudos to her! The verdict...

The unshaped experience is certainly much better - not sparkling, but much better. Almost as good as my shaped service was a few months ago. Skype works. So does FTP.

Should I be delighted? Delight is getting something that exceeds expectation; the answer's no, this is a minimum expectation

True professionalism is not avoiding problems, it's acknowledging that they exist and then dealing with them effectively. When I sum my experience with Mweb, not once did anyone acknowledge that there is a problem. My experience, and the experiences of others I have discussed this with, tell me otherwise.
 
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Do you know others on Mweb in your area? Do they suffer the same problems? I find it amazing how there are people using the exact same product with completely different user experiences. I'd imagine it has something to do with the topology, there seem to be strong areas and weak areas. It doesn't seem to just be the lower speed users either.
 
Hmm, you have a point. What tools are there that can help isolate the problem? A few years ago Gregory Massel tried to map the topology (www.ispmap.co.za). But it falls woefully short of usefulness in that it is a) not dynamic, b) does not indicate datarates or latency and c) has no info on "last-mile" provision. I'd love to hear from someone who knows what's really going on.
 
I called Telkom's ADSL support line, and they "tested" my line. I was told that I have full 384K bandwidth between me and the Mweb backbone handover. I didn't know that they had the tools to do that. Do they?
 
I called Telkom's ADSL support line, and they "tested" my line. I was told that I have full 384K bandwidth between me and the Mweb backbone handover. I didn't know that they had the tools to do that. Do they?

I might be wrong but I think Telkom have an app/solution which gives ISPs the ability to check.
 
I've also been experiencing "funny" things on my mweb at home. Pages taking long to load as if waiting for some dns resolve to take place. Just plain slowness. Lagging in SC2. Youtube videos just stopping to download, then continuing.

This is not limited to MWEB though. More or less the same issues seem to be plaguing our MTN business connection as well.

Something is wrong with internet is SA at the moment.
 
IT's easier just to blame MWEB, so lets go with that.

15kb/s on a 4mb line during the day ...well done...good job MWEB.
 
Note that I am using Mweb here because they are my service provider and my experience is with them. Given comparative rating of service and performance of ISPs in SA, Mweb usually rates highly, if not best overall. By extension, therefore, this message is directed at all ISPs, IAP's and the infrastructure providers who operate in the South African Internet Market Space, in the hope that they regain a sense of pride in delivering quality and value. (They seem to have forgotten.)
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I totally get it that I cannot expect sparkling performance from my shaped, uncapped, 384Kbps service, but I believe that Mweb's performance levels for this product have fallen below an acceptable level.

Skype, my family's cyber staple, is no longer reliable (although I am heartened that an international landline call is cheaper than a local cell to landline call - but that's another matter!)

But even ordinary browsing can be likened to a speech impediment, as Firefox stutters and stammers and sometimes just gives up trying. My email client fails to connect to mweb's smtp server. Understand that these are the high-priority services on a shaped profile.

Trying to FTP upload a 1MB website is an exercise in futility. It appears that network is so oversubscribed that FTP has fallen completely off the shaping policy's priority list. A few (usually 5) logins after FTP timeouts, and you have to wait out a reset period (usually minutes) – more coffee, anyone? Slow is OK, but latency that is worse than a timeout threshold of a commonly used protocol is simply unacceptable.

I have tried to establish from Mweb what exactly their minimum performance levels are, and what measurement criteria are used to determine them. Their technical support call centre certainly have absolutely no idea what a reasonable latency might be, or what tools one might to use to measure it. I've considered using another ISP, but I doubt the others are any better, and I've grown attached to the 15-year-old email address. How much for just an email address? No mailbox, just a forwarder? FIFTY FIVE BUCKS A MONTH! I came away less than satisfied.

Three years ago, SAAS and Cloud Computing were all the buzz. With Mweb shaped SAAS is dead! The Cloud is dead!

Chewing spiders, I called their switchboard and was put through to someone (who has a name, but didn't offer her job title), who was refreshingly interested in what I had to say, and for Mweb's reputation, and undertook to set up a temporary unshaped account for me to test.

Kudos to her! The verdict...

The unshaped experience is certainly much better - not sparkling, but much better. Almost as good as my shaped service was a few months ago. Skype works. So does FTP.

Should I be delighted? Delight is getting something that exceeds expectation; the answer's no, this is a minimum expectation

True professionalism is not avoiding problems, it's acknowledging that they exist and then dealing with them effectively. When I sum my experience with Mweb, not once did anyone acknowledge that there is a problem. My experience, and the experiences of others I have discussed this with, tell me otherwise.

Hi Potion

Please PM your mweb account details and I will investigate the problems you are encoutering; I don't believe your experience is indicative of what should be happening on our network now.

Kind Regards,
MWEB Ops
 
IT's easier just to blame MWEB, so lets go with that.

15kb/s on a 4mb line during the day ...well done...good job MWEB.

While I do agree that your speeds are unacceptable. MWeb is actually the best of the lower cost (approx R500 pm) uncapped packages I've used. It's definitely not a great internet experience, but the others in the same price bracket are a lot worse. I've been trying to wean myself off heavy downloading so I can use only capped accounts which still provide decent Internet. So far not so good...what I'd give for a sub R600 pm high volume (75 - 100GB) capped account.
 
I see a lot of complaining, but my 4mbs MWeb line is performing like it always has.
File share sites are slow during the day, get around 1mbs early evening and general pump through at 4mbs in the early hours of the morning.
Youtube, Skype, FTP and web browsing all full speed during the day.
I have a Netgear DG834GT Router which has never let me down.
For R500 per month, it is extremely great value, and more importantly ... unlike other ISP's offerings it is exactly what was and still is as advertised.
 
While I do agree that your speeds are unacceptable. MWeb is actually the best of the lower cost (approx R500 pm) uncapped packages I've used.
That's akin to saying "A brain tumour is the BEST terminal illness"! Which is exactly my point. When you or I say "Mweb is the best", what we really mean is that "they all suck, but Mweb is not as bad as the rest". I'm not deliberately targeting Mweb, but they are the control against which we measure the rest.
 
I see a lot of complaining, but my 4mbs MWeb line is performing like it always has.
File share sites are slow during the day, get around 1mbs early evening and general pump through at 4mbs in the early hours of the morning.
Youtube, Skype, FTP and web browsing all full speed during the day.
I have a Netgear DG834GT Router which has never let me down.
For R500 per month, it is extremely great value, and more importantly ... unlike other ISP's offerings it is exactly what was and still is as advertised.

Pretty much exactly the same here. Very happy with it considering the price and where we've come from.
 
IT's easier just to blame MWEB, so lets go with that.

15kb/s on a 4mb line during the day ...well done...good job MWEB.

I just signed up as a 4mb uncapped MWEB user, and currently im flying at 8kB/s. I haven't yet experienced the full speed on my line since signing up. Hoping they fix this soon >.<
 
Dude, you are not alone...i am here with....wait.. thats Micheal Jackson..i think..
IN any case, i have the same issues on axxess, with email reception timing out MOST of the time, downloads, even http downloads running at a mere 10-15kB/s.. and thats one a goood day... otherwise, browsing normal websites, like this one, is a chore... so ya.. if they figure something out to fix this issue it would be awesome..
 
I see a lot of complaining, but my 4mbs MWeb line is performing like it always has.
File share sites are slow during the day, get around 1mbs early evening and general pump through at 4mbs in the early hours of the morning.
Youtube, Skype, FTP and web browsing all full speed during the day.
I have a Netgear DG834GT Router which has never let me down.
For R500 per month, it is extremely great value, and more importantly ... unlike other ISP's offerings it is exactly what was and still is as advertised.

Of course YouTube on 4meg is working. You need to understand that Mweb's 384 is below the level for things to run smoothly. The 384 accounts are shaped into dialup so compare like with like.
 
Lounger ... get over yourself. If 384 is "below the level for things to run smoothly" for you, then get out your wallet. The topic of this thread is "SA uncapped performance plummets to unacceptable levels". Youtube was one protocol or service I mentioned, which has been mentioned as an issue by other MWeb subscribers.
 
By extension, therefore, this message is directed at all ISPs, IAP's and the infrastructure providers who operate in the South African Internet Market Space, in the hope that they regain a sense of pride in delivering quality and value. (They seem to have forgotten.)

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Interesting post

The only word that can be used to describe the broadband situation in S.A. is - archaic.

We are way behind the international community , not only in developed markets, but even in emerging markets.
Defining broadband as 256 Kbps is like describing a citi golf as a sports car
The focus has and seems to remain more on providing access than anything else. And of course we have had little to no access for so long, that we (the public) are settling for degraded , slow access at premium pricing, and are expected to be gratefull for it. While at the same time light users, are subsidising heavy users, all the while being shaped to the minimum possible speed.

Some interesting comments from an article relevant to this situation:
The focus has been placed on access, and not quality, for so long, we all accept our Internet experience in SA for what it is. A comparable domestic 4Mb ADSL line in the UK, for example, offers far higher download speeds, lower latency, and overall a far higher quality of Internet experience than that of the nominally similar 4Mb ADSL line in Johannesburg,” he explains.

SA defines broadband as 256Kbps, while the International Telecommunications Union sets it from 1.5Mbps to 2Mbps and the US standard is 4Mbps.

“The government should strengthen its definition of broadband to set high, but achievable standards. If this is not done, ISPs will keep using 256Kbps as a mark of quality for their Internet service offerings. The end-user will continue to pay premium fees for a sub-standard service,” comments Frost & Sullivan senior research analyst Vitalis Ozianyi.

Ambrose has slammed the goals of the policy: “The speeds they are talking about are pitiful in the context of what is necessary to compete globally, and will look archaic when we look back in five years' time.
http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40369:sas-broadband-failure

The following sums up nicely the quality of service we should expect as a minimum :
“Broadband, technically, is a connection that allows simultaneous transmission of video, audio, graphics and text.
Acceptable broadband needs to be a broadband service of a standard that sees no degradation or buffering in accessing or streaming such material,” he explained.

According to Goldstuck, “any speed that results in buffering for a specific type of content is too slow for that type of content. You may, for example, have a high speed, but over a heavily contended service, where multiple users result in degradation of throughput for individuals.”

So it's not about the speed of the broadband, but about the quality of the broadband. Good broadband allows throughput that does not compromise quality,” Goldstuck said.
http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=37510:sa-broadband-in-low-gear

Of course, this is S.A. so everybody plays the blame game, and at the end of the day nothing really gets done, and we all go round and round.
 
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