SAA cancels flights to Argentina

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SA Airlines would stop its flights to Beunos Aires, Argentina, because the route was not profitable, Business Day reported on Wednesday.

SAA spokesman Tlali Tlali said the airline intended to stop its flights to Buenos Aires in the new year as part of its strategy to restore the airline's profitability.

"Decisions of this nature are dependent on the concurrence of the shareholder."

Initially, both Buenos Aires and Beijing were identified as routes that would be cancelled, but shareholders opted to retain the Beijing route.

According to the report, Argentina's ambassador to South Africa Carlos Sersale di Cerisano alleged that the move appeared to be a "political decision".

Tlali said: "We will provide a comprehensive account as to why we pull out of certain routes once our consultations have been finalised."


Source : Sapa /mjs/tk/jje
Date : 06 Nov 2013 07:51
 
luckily Im going to BA in dec via SAA, I still have to land in Brazil to change flight ,which is what happened the previous times I went to Argentian.
 
SAA’s route cancellation offends Argentina

ARGENTINA’s ambassador to South Africa, Carlos Sersale di Cerisano, has criticised South African Airways’ (SAA’s) move to end its service to Buenos Aires as a "political decision" not based on commercial criteria.

SAA spokesman Tlali Tlali said the airline was cutting long-haul routes from its network as part of a turnaround strategy to restore profitability. Cutting the route between Argentina and South Africa had to be seen in that context.

"Projections are that the termination will take effect in the new calendar year," Mr Tlali said in an e -mail. "SAA identified two international destinations, namely Beijing and Buenos Aires, to cease operating in.

"Decisions of this nature are dependent on the concurrence of the shareholder. We have canvassed the shareholder views in both cases and were successful in the case of Buenos Aires only.

"This means we will continue to fly to Beijing.

South Africa is part of Brics, a political and trade bloc comprising Brazil, Russia, India and China and South Africa, with the most modest position in the bloc, and is eager to cement its place in the grouping.

"Beijing and São Paulo are destinations to two of the Brics member states ," Mr Tlali said. "Even more, China is the number one trade partner for South Africa.

"We will provide a comprehensive account as to why we pull out of certain routes once our consultations have been finalised ."

Department of Public Enterprises spokesman Mayihlome Tshwete said the decision to cut the Buenos Aires route had been a commercial decision as the route was losing about R50m a year. The department supported the move.

The Beijing route, which loses about R300m, was being kept for "strategic and development reasons", Mr Tshwete said.

SAA was retaining the Brazil route because it had larger volumes and was a bigger hub for traffic from the South American continent. "Sao Paulo is more a strategic route because it’s a bigger hub (than Buenos Aires)," Mr Tshwete said.

Mr Sersale di Cerisano said when comparing the commercial performance of the Buenos Aires-to-Johannesburg route and the Sao Paulo-to-Johannesburg one, it was clear that both were losing money. But the Argentinian route lost less.

The Buenos Aires route could make money if operated with more fuel-efficient aircraft.

A meeting scheduled between the ambassador and SAA in October was cancelled an hour before and there had been no success in rescheduling, Mr Sersale di Cerisano said. Letters sent to the Department of Public Enterprises, the shareholder ministry of SAA, had not been responded to.

He had wanted to "look at macro figures and to have some discussion about why this happened", Mr di Sersale Cerisano said. "SAA cancelled one hour before the meeting, saying everything was in the hands of the DPE (Department of Public Enterprises).

"The minister of tourism also passed this information to DPE … and (they) never answered. SAA may not care (about) bilateral relations … but (they are) making a decision ignoring the right data. It is a political decision.

"We are going to do magical thinking and say we will route everything through Brazil. This won’t happen ."

Mr Tshwete said the initial plan was to phase the Buenos Aires route out by the end of March, but this was "not conclusive". Discussions with stakeholders including the departments of international relations and co-operation and tourism, and representatives of Argentina, were still in progress.

The Department of Public Enterprises was in the process of formulating a response to the Argentinian representatives’ take on the matter. Further, it was in consultations with the Department of International Relations and Co-operation.

The Department of International Relations and Co-operation could not be reached for comment on Tuesday.

Mr Sersale di Cerisano said he had been in contact with the Department of International Relations and Co-operation, which he described as "concerned". Both parties wanted an explanation since the decision to terminate the route went against an August agreement to increase the frequency of flights between the two countries, from three times a week to five.

"Our interaction with them is perfect and I understand they have not been consulted," Mr Sersale di Cerisano said. "They are asking for answers."

http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/transport/2013/11/06/saas-route-cancellation-offends-argentina
 
Good, happy they are cancelling routes they can't really cater for. Start off small and grow slowly.
 
If LAN decided to cover this route, they would make a killing, esp if flying from CPT

Im flying to Argentina next month, and changing flights in Brazil from SAA to LAN , never flew with LAN before hows their service?
 
LAN is good - equivalent of BA here. We also flew once on Aerolinas, also good but more like SAA.

Be careful of the food in Argentina though - almost everything has ham in it. So if you get a cheese & tomato sarmie, it will inevitably contain ham.

Generally the food is pretty bland and expensive there, IME.

Some of my notes from our 2011 holidays there:


Travel notes about Argentina (in no particular order):
1. Argentines are very friendly and helpful to tourists
2. Argentines do 3 things well: coffee, ice cream, and Quilmes (my new favourite beer). Except for the bit about serving coffee with sparkling water - WTF?
3. Forget what you heard about their beef, even Spur puts their restaurants to shame
4. Food is generally bland and expensive. Everything in Argentina is overpriced, come to think of it, but the food is ridiculously expensive. You even get charged for 'table service', sometimes up to Ar$20 per person - WTF?
5. The wine is not bad, but again, ridiculously expensive
6. Patagonian lamb is really good, about as good as Karoo lamb
7. A 4-star hotel in Argentina is about on the same level as a run-down 2- or 3- star hotel in SA
8. Punctuality is not in the Argentine vocabulary
9. If you are flying internationally out of Buenos Aires, get to the airport at least 5 hours before your departure time. The airport seems to be run by 5yr olds - expect long queues and little order
10. The national pastime in Argentina is littering
11. It's a beautiful country but it's BEEEG - you need lots of time to see it properly
12. You MUST see Iguazu Falls and the glaciers in Patagonia before you die!
13. Drink some Mate while you're there, you might actually like it
 
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LAN is good - equivalent of BA here. We also flew once on Aerolinas, also good but more like SAA.

Be careful of the food in Argentina though - almost everything has ham in it. So if you get a cheese & tomato sarmie, it will inevitably contain ham.

Generally the food is pretty bland and expensive there, IME.

Some of my notes from our 2011 holidays there:

Thanks, I went there for a bit last year, I will be staying in Olivos (my fiance is from there). One thing I noticed is that they love their Ice Cream shops I swear I must have seen 1 on every street corner,Also they have a high amount of stray dogs roaming around the streets. The meat I find enjoyable, I remember going to quite an expensive restaurant in Puerto Madero and ordering a streak which costed me practically $70.
 
SAA does fly to India (even though the route is running at a loss) and also flies to Brasil also I think (also at a loss)

At the BRICS summit in Durban the Indians were snubbed. The Chinese were fawned upon.

If we're doing such marvelous business with China why is SAA running at a loss, never mind the size of that loss?
 
At the BRICS summit in Durban the Indians were snubbed. The Chinese were fawned upon.

If we're doing such marvelous business with China why is SAA running at a loss, never mind the size of that loss?

I thought you meant that we only fly to China in the BRICS countries ... which is not true cause we fly to Brasil and India also ... but I understand what you mean now.
 
I think they should have cut both routes but that is me. To make a fully informed decision I would like to see what the realistic prospective growth figures for each route is and how the numbers would look if a more fuel efficient aircraft where used on the route.
 
You would need ETOPS 330 to do Johannesburg to Buenos Aires with a twin engined aircraft.
The question then is whether a 777/787/A350 could get out of Johannesburg on a hot summer day while carrying enough fuel, passengers and cargo to make it worthwhile.
 
You would need ETOPS 330 to do Johannesburg to Buenos Aires with a twin engined aircraft.
The question then is whether a 777/787/A350 could get out of Johannesburg on a hot summer day while carrying enough fuel, passengers and cargo to make it worthwhile.

I am sure the A350/787 wont have a problem with it....but you could always make the flight direct from Cape Town and and have the other cities in SA feed into it.
 
I am sure the A350/787 wont have a problem with it....but you could always make the flight direct from Cape Town and and have the other cities in SA feed into it.


that would be the most efficient route between SA & Argentina.

The flight distance between CPT & BA is 6890km, a B777 can easily cover that route, even a B767 could.

We flew to BA on an Air Malaysia flight that did the KL -> CPT -> BA route, it was awesome.
 
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