SAHRC: Mandela went too far

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Nelson Mandela reached out too far with reconciliation when he took power in 1994, the SABC reported the SAHRC as saying on Wednesday.

SA Human Rights Commission chairperson Jody Kollapen reportedly told a conference at the University of the Western Cape that the former president unintentionally contributed to divisions in the country.

Kollapen, according to the public broadcaster, said undue focus was on reconciliation rather than transformation at the dawn of democracy.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2278506,00.html
 
I think this guy is full of it to be honest. I think too many people are making a living off of Apartheid and have to keep riding a dead horse in order to keep on making and justifying their living...

As long as there is money to be made off of these types of things they will always be dug up and battered some more...
 
antowan said:
I think this guy is full of it to be honest. I think too many people are making a living off of Apartheid and have to keep riding a dead horse in order to keep on making and justifying their living...

As long as there is money to be made off of these types of things they will always be dug up and battered some more...
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I know his brother.
A phsychiatrist in Pretoria.
Mad as a hatter.
Crazy. Totally cukoo.
I wonder if it runs in the family?
 
I'm sure this Jody Kollapen will be relieved by the fact that we have huge transformation now. One only has to look at Eskom to see it at work...
 
I heard him today on the radio (think it was this chap).

He actually made sense on the radio and explained his statement in length.
I do believe though that had Mandela not gone that route there would not have been a smooth transition at all. So it is a balancing act in effect between the 2.
This is selective reporting.

What he did not say though is that the promises that were made to the black South Africans were also horribly exaggerated.
So whites thought they could just say sorry and carry on and Blacks figured they would all have a house, a job an education and poverty would be a thing of the past.
 
These kind of comment from high ranking officials cause racial tension. It is just another sign that a person was appointed to a job he has no capability of executing because he has no intention other than earning a salary on which he can blow as no other white official ever could do.
 
If anyone thinks 15 years of democracy can heal all or most of the wounds of apartheid, you're seriously deluded. Perhaps you guys need to think about things more deeply. Perhaps take a trip out of your little bubble. In fact, it's a great idea - we should all do that. Can you imagine staying in a shack in a squatter camp with no electricity or water or refuse removal? Having criminals around you all the time? Living in fear? I can't.

I understand that tensions are running high, but everyone need's to realise our success is dependant on working together. We all need to work together and give a little. Those with more need to give more - it's in mine/your/our interest.

It puzzles me that some people (like on this forum) - who don't their head from their a$$ - can unduely and savagely criticise people like Nelson Mandela as well as downplay apartheid.

Everyone needs to reassess their position. Perhaps a more concilliatory tone is in order. I'm not liking any of the comments from both sides of the fence. If this continues, we all know what's going to happen. And in who's interest is that? I'd say no one, but if anyone thinks otherwise, then let me know cos then we're in serious trouble.

As for anyone criticising Nelson Mandela. Before you go any further, I challenge you to try to build a consensus with just 10 people on a mildy divisive subject. Let's see if can make an inch of progress. When you undoubtedly fail, you'll begin to realise how great he really is.
 
Piepalook said:
I know his brother.
A phsychiatrist in Pretoria.
Mad as a hatter.
Crazy. Totally cukoo.
I wonder if it runs in the family?
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My significant other studied law with Jody back in the day. Jody was apparently a big fan of, errr .... smoking those illegal substances rolled up in little cigarettes.

He is a very nice and very intelligent guy, though.
 
Piepalook said:
I know his brother.
A phsychiatrist in Pretoria.
Mad as a hatter.
Crazy. Totally cukoo.
I wonder if it runs in the family?
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does his brother treat himself ?

I thought his brother is a doctor, not a shrink, and he is not crazy, eccentric maybe, extroverted definitely, not at all crazy

I don't think you can call Jody or his brother or any of the rest of his family crazy, most of them very talented, and intelligent.
 
aadil said:
If anyone thinks 15 years of democracy can heal all or most of the wounds of apartheid, you're seriously deluded. Perhaps you guys need to think about things more deeply. Perhaps take a trip out of your little bubble. In fact, it's a great idea - we should all do that. Can you imagine staying in a shack in a squatter camp with no electricity or water or refuse removal? Having criminals around you all the time? Living in fear? I can't.

I understand that tensions are running high, but everyone need's to realise our success is dependant on working together. We all need to work together and give a little. Those with more need to give more - it's in mine/your/our interest.

It puzzles me that some people (like on this forum) - who don't their head from their a$$ - can unduely and savagely criticise people like Nelson Mandela as well as downplay apartheid.

Everyone needs to reassess their position. Perhaps a more concilliatory tone is in order. I'm not liking any of the comments from both sides of the fence. If this continues, we all know what's going to happen. And in who's interest is that? I'd say no one, but if anyone thinks otherwise, then let me know cos then we're in serious trouble.

As for anyone criticising Nelson Mandela. Before you go any further, I challenge you to try to build a consensus with just 10 people on a mildy divisive subject. Let's see if can make an inch of progress. When you undoubtedly fail, you'll begin to realise how great he really is.
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What this fails to address is the fact that Apartheid is over and people are still living in shacks. We can downplay or blame Apartheid all we want. None of this is going to help the situation. Less blame more working together for a better future. We CANNOT change the past but together we can change the future.
 
aadil said:
I understand that tensions are running high, but everyone need's to realise our success is dependant on working together. We all need to work together and give a little. Those with more need to give more - it's in mine/your/our interest
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And how do you hold a hand thats balled into a fist? This is from both sides ofcourse
 
aadil said:
If anyone thinks 15 years of democracy can heal all or most of the wounds of apartheid, you're seriously deluded. Perhaps you guys need to think about things more deeply. Perhaps take a trip out of your little bubble. In fact, it's a great idea - we should all do that. Can you imagine staying in a shack in a squatter camp with no electricity or water or refuse removal? Having criminals around you all the time? Living in fear? I can't.

I understand that tensions are running high, but everyone need's to realise our success is dependant on working together. We all need to work together and give a little. Those with more need to give more - it's in mine/your/our interest.

It puzzles me that some people (like on this forum) - who don't their head from their a$$ - can unduely and savagely criticise people like Nelson Mandela as well as downplay apartheid.

Everyone needs to reassess their position. Perhaps a more concilliatory tone is in order. I'm not liking any of the comments from both sides of the fence. If this continues, we all know what's going to happen. And in who's interest is that? I'd say no one, but if anyone thinks otherwise, then let me know cos then we're in serious trouble.

As for anyone criticising Nelson Mandela. Before you go any further, I challenge you to try to build a consensus with just 10 people on a mildy divisive subject. Let's see if can make an inch of progress. When you undoubtedly fail, you'll begin to realise how great he really is.
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Great post!!
 
antowan said:
Nelson Mandela reached out too far with reconciliation when he took power in 1994, the SABC reported the SAHRC as saying on Wednesday.

SA Human Rights Commission chairperson Jody Kollapen reportedly told a conference at the University of the Western Cape that the former president unintentionally contributed to divisions in the country.

Kollapen, according to the public broadcaster, said undue focus was on reconciliation rather than transformation at the dawn of democracy.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2278506,00.html
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What the hell is this oke actually saying ? It's a puzzle....
 
aadil said:
If anyone thinks 15 years of democracy can heal all or most of the wounds of apartheid, you're seriously deluded. Perhaps you guys need to think about things more deeply. Perhaps take a trip out of your little bubble. In fact, it's a great idea - we should all do that. Can you imagine staying in a shack in a squatter camp with no electricity or water or refuse removal? Having criminals around you all the time? Living in fear? I can't.
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The problem is, people are still there. Nothing changed for the majority of the people.

I understand that tensions are running high, but everyone need's to realise our success is dependant on working together. We all need to work together and give a little. Those with more need to give more - it's in mine/your/our interest.
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Then why exclude people from delivering their best? For some reason, people lose the motivation to work hard when they hear that they can't get promoted because of AA.

It puzzles me that some people (like on this forum) - who don't their head from their a$$ - can unduely and savagely criticise people like Nelson Mandela as well as downplay apartheid.
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Apartheid was bad, nobody denied that, that I could see. What is not understandable is, why was infrastructure not maintained while adding to it? Why the total collapse of services? Not everything Apartheid produced was bad. We had running, clean water in some parts. Extend what you have, don't focus so much on creating something new, that everything that was there falls into disrepair. Nobody thought that building and extending infrastructure is going to be easy or quick, but plan it, extend what is already there (e.g. Eskom).

Everyone needs to reassess their position. Perhaps a more concilliatory tone is in order. I'm not liking any of the comments from both sides of the fence. If this continues, we all know what's going to happen. And in who's interest is that? I'd say no one, but if anyone thinks otherwise, then let me know cos then we're in serious trouble.

As for anyone criticising Nelson Mandela. Before you go any further, I challenge you to try to build a consensus with just 10 people on a mildy divisive subject. Let's see if can make an inch of progress. When you undoubtedly fail, you'll begin to realise how great he really is.
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Mandela was a great man. He did a great job of trying to reconcile and move forward. I feel that the current government should have learned more from him. Forgiveness does not come easy, and nobody is saying that Apartheid should be forgotten, but learn from it, take what was good and working, and move on from there. Repeating Apartheid again, but in reverse, will not bring the nation together, or build reconciliation.
 
Nod said:
Then why exclude people from delivering their best? For some reason, people lose the motivation to work hard when they hear that they can't get promoted because of AA.
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If you work hard you get promoted...whether you are white or black. Stop hiding behind AA and look at yourself for a change......most blue chip companies have AA targets of around 45% black management (most of them are well short of even this target). Are you trying to tell us that if you are a hard working, well qualified white person, you will not make the remaining 50%? Ask yourself why ? is it AA or are you just not good enough?
 
On one hand the critics say people are still living in shacks and in poverty but with the same breath they're complaining about lack of maintenance in infrastructure. That doesn't make sense. Obviously we need to be realistic, as the government has. I'm not a big fan of the Mbeki governement but you have to understand there's only so much money available (and yes it comes from you and me, the taxpayers) and priorities have to be made. Government embarked on a massive Housing project and Social upliftment program. While poverty is still extremely high, improvements have been made. It's a fine balancing act, the sooner you realise that the better. Unfortunately certain things will suffer, like infrastructure investment. It's a price we have to pay because unless you want even higher taxes, because the money available has to go to correct the imbalances of the past.

Can you imagine, if the government hadn't built 2 million homes, create social support programs, provide free basic services, etc etc etc. The masses would be rioting and tearing this country apart.

The Government is failing, no doubt but that's to be expected. Anyone would. The task is simply too huge and too dificult for anyone to succeed. At least they're making progress.

It boils down to one simple question: Would you rather drive your BMW over a pothole or have a rock thrown at you by an angry poor person?
 
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