SANDF budget concerns minister

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http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2011/10/12/sandf-budget-concerns-minister

The Defence Department's inadequate budget is affecting its operations, says Defence and Military Veterans Minister Lindiwe Sisulu.

Sisulu was responding in writing to a parliamentary question by Mlindi Nhanha of the Congress of the People.

Nhanha asked whether the SA National Defence Force's budget was affecting its battle fitness and readiness.

Sisulu responded: "Naturally, and as a matter of life, any gap in resources will have some kind of impact on the activities one is engaged in. That applies to the Department of Defence and the SANDF."

The SANDF's budget needed to be a matter of concern for all South Africans, she said.

"The matter has not been dealt [with] to the full satisfaction of the ministry and the department and we remain hopeful that the budget would be increased in the not-too-distant future."

The National Assembly's defence committee as a whole should be concerned about this matter, she said.

In her budget speech in the Assembly in April, Sisulu said the SANDF's budget was hopelessly inadequate.

The SANDF's budget allocation for 2011-12 announced by Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan in February is R38.4-billion and was projected to grow to R43.9-billion in 2013-14.

Does it bother anyone else that we spend 30+ billion every year defending something nobody wants to attack ?
 
Nhanha asked whether the SA National Defence Force's budget was affecting its battle fitness and readiness.

Yes, Lindiwe. The lack of budget is directly proportional to the troops' lack of battle fitness. :rolleyes:
 
Our army is a joke. They couldn't even invade Lesotho successfully in 1998. God knows what they are (in)capable of these days.
 
30+ billion for defense? W T F !!!!!!!! Who attacked us? KFC?
 
Does it bother anyone else that we spend 30+ billion every year defending something nobody wants to attack ?

Yes, yes it does.

30bn is astronomical! I honestly thought it would be a few billion MAX. Where does 30bn go each year?
 
I am sure that a huge percentage of this budget goes to personnel and their staff parties. I agree, what do we need SANDF for ? Who's going to attack us ? The money can bet better spent protecting the borders from illegal immigrants and coast guard to protect SA's coastline from piracy + protect our fishing reserves. But wait, illigal immigrants are a source of voters for those in power.
 
Perhaps you should look into what the SANDF actually does before you make comments like that?

Our military budget is only a bit more than 1% of our GDP, which isn't much in comparison to most other countries.
Well what do they really do? seriously ?
 
Some general info:

Four armed services

Four armed services make up the forces of the SANDF:[3]
South African Army
South African Air Force
South African Navy
South African Military Health Service

The South African Commando System was a territorial militia active until 2008, based upon local units from the size of company to battalion. In its final years its role was to support the South African Police in internal security, During such deployments the units came under Police control.

The commander of the SANDF is appointed by the President from one of the armed services. The current commander is General Godfrey Ngwenya. He in turn is accountable to the Minister of Defence and Military Veterans.

Recent peacekeeping actions by the South African military include an invasion of Lesotho in order to restore the democratically-elected government after a coup, as well as extensive contributions to United Nations and African Union peacekeeping operations in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Burundi. An operation to Sudan has just recently[when?] been started and is scheduled to be increased to Brigade strength in the next few months.

The SANDF commander consults with members of several councils and committees and chairs the Defence Command Council (DCC), which oversees the defence budget. On the DCC are the four service chiefs, the chief of the National Defence Force staff, the military inspector general, the chiefs of defence headquarters staff divisions, and other key defence officials. Headquarters responsibilities are allocated among six staff divisions—the Finance Division, the Intelligence Division, the Logistics Division, the Joint Operations Division, the Personnel Division, and the Planning Division.

Recently a large-scale programme was launched to re-equip the SANDF with warships and submarines being purchased in Germany and fighter jets being purchased in Sweden and the United Kingdom. This has been controversial due to the great cost and reports of corruption in the awarding of contracts.

Issues that face the SANDF include a severe shortage of pilots and naval combat officers, due to the replacement of white officers from the former SADF with appointments from the old liberation forces, none of which ever had any aviation or maritime components. The loss of trained personnel and the decommissioning of much needed equipment due to funding issues, high HIV-rates amongst personnel and the fact that SANDF infantry soldiers are some of the oldest in the world, all raise questions regarding the current fighting efficiency of the SANDF. Some of these issues are being addressed with the introduction of the Military Skills Development (MSD) programme, as well as aggressive recruitment and training by the Reserve Force Regiments. Funding shortages also cause problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_National_Defence_Force
 
Recent peacekeeping actions by the South African military include an invasion of Lesotho

Recently ?

peacekeeping, invasion ?

So, we go into Africa to sort out their problems, buy subs with no one to man them and buy planes with no one to fly them.

Yup, a really useful spend of 30 +billion.
 
Well what do they really do? seriously ?

South africa have some of the most difficult borders in the world to protect, it would make sense if they can station the SADF out there and not have all these aliens come into our country.
 
Well what do they really do? seriously ?

Many things, some examples:

-Ships and aircraft deployed on antipiracy mission in Mozambique
-SANDF is taking over border policing from the SAPF
-Maritime search and rescue, e.g. rescuing injured sailors from Tristan da Cunha earlier this year
-Various "peace-keeping" missions
-Logistic support for many elections etc. in other countries that wouldn't have been able to do so on their own.
-SANDF deployed in the Kruger National Park, notice a drop in poaching incidents?

The sharp, pointy tip of the spear that everyone always sees is only a small part of the military's capability.

As for old/unfit soldiers, that's a more complicated problem than a lack of funding. In the past there were no effective exit mechanisms/paths, but this has been largely addressed - it will obviously take time though.
 
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-Ships and aircraft deployed on antipiracy mission in Mozambique
-Maritime searcg and rescue, e.g. rescuing injured sailors from Tristan da Cunha earlier this year
-Various "peace-keeping" missions
-Logistic support for many elections etc. in other countries that wouldn't have been able to do so on their own.

So essentially our defence force is for the benefit of other countries.
 
R30 billion is a very paltry amount to spend. If you throw a decent politically-approved 'event' for 500 to 1000 guests at a decent function venue you would be lucky to get away with spending less than R10 million. Throw in a few attractive tenders,dozens of overseas 'business' trips. Damn, a few hundred 'events' nationwide a year, a tender here and there, you'll be lucky to still have a billion or two left for training, equipment and maintenance.
 
Didn't Lindiwe Sisulu say that the ANC should have approached her(instead of Transnet) for money for they 100 year celebrations.
Now she tells us that the SANDF don't have money.
Ohhh the irony... Just shows the mentality of doing bussiness in Africa.
 
30+ billion for defense? W T F !!!!!!!! Who attacked us? KFC?

There is no need for a budget. Any enemy who wants to attack need only wait (no cost at all). The ANC is doing a far more capable job in destroying the country than any enemy could ever hope to do. They just need to pick-up the pieces.
 
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