SA's Olympic candidate - Durban

capetownguy said:
An article in the Argus today says that a Durban has an airport....welldone.
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Lol, reminds me, I sure hope the tourists are driving there if they do get to host, since their planes will only give them sight-seeing opportunities from 4 km up :p (and yes flame nazis, I know they will most likely upgrade the airport and that it was an isolated incident).
 
It just amazes me that journalists get to write such rubbish.

Its great that we are all behind Durban, but you can't write things like "it has the stadium and an airport already"....seriously?

Nobody is suggesting Dbn cannot host, but the IOC are not FIFA, the requirements are endless, the scale of the event is huge. Its not as simple as "we have an airport".

This airport is half the capacity of CTIA which is half the capacity of ORTIA....

There is already a huge gap between Durban and cities like Tokyo, Istanbul, Rome in terms of the many criteria used to evaluate cities. These cities are much closer to or exceed the IOC 40,000 3-5 star hotel room requirement. Tokyo and Rome are well over that benchmark, Istanbul is around 30k, Durban sits at 6,500. This excludes any spectator accommodation. It also doesnt'y imply that with cruise ships, a media village etc. that 40,000 cannot be reached but at least approach all of this with some class or a hint that you have an idea of what the OG require/

The IOC is not FIFA. They have specific scores for each category, they analyze all aspects of the bid. You do not score 10/10 for having the main stadium in place.

This "everything in place" attitude is ignorant and naive.
 
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capetownguy said:
It just amazes me that journalists get to write such rubbish.

Its great that we are all behind Durban, but you can't write things like "it has the stadium and an airport already"....seriously?

Nobody is suggesting Dbn cannot host, but the IOC are not FIFA, the requirements are endless, the scale of the event is huge. Its not as simple as "we have an airport".

This airport is half the capacity of CTIA which is half the capacity of ORTIA....

There is already a huge gap between Durban and cities like Tokyo, Istanbul, Rome in terms of the many criteria used to evaluate cities. These cities are much closer to or exceed the IOC 40,000 3-5 star hotel room requirement. Tokyo and Rome are well over that benchmark, Istanbul is around 30k, Durban sits at 6,500. This excludes any spectator accommodation. It also doesnt'y imply that with cruise ships, a media village etc. that 40,000 cannot be reached but at least approach all of this with some class or a hint that you have an idea of what the OG require/

The IOC is not FIFA. They have specific scores for each category, they analyze all aspects of the bid. You do not score 10/10 for having the main stadium in place.

This "everything in place" attitude is ignorant and naive.
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I agree, that the makeshift transport that most cities used during the WC won't cut it with the IOC. Durban will need to build a much improved transport system to even stand a chance.
 
Exactly, we have moved on from the CT-DBN-JHB issue and we now have a national candidate that actually has to deliver.

There are 32 Olympic venues, but you constantly hear Moses Mabhida is in place, and "there are some fields" for archey......the venue for cycling will require a new build yet they talk about it as its ready to host the Games when in fact its not covered, and the track is not the UCI required length.

uh lets use this parking lot for the IBC/MPC.....
 
capetownguy said:
Exactly, we have moved on from the CT-DBN-JHB issue and we now have a national candidate that actually has to deliver.

There are 32 Olympic venues, but you constantly hear Moses Mabhida is in place, and "there are some fields" for archey......the venue for cycling will require a new build yet they talk about it as its ready to host the Games when in fact its not covered, and the track is not the UCI required length.

uh lets use this parking lot for the IBC/MPC.....
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I think that people see how we got through the WC and think that the IOC will let us 'get away' with a similar job. Transport needs to overhalued, and I know people will bitch about the Olympic village amd venues for 'strange' sports', that still need to be built.

What do you meen about the track not being long enough? I hope that you are talking about the cycling track, I can't believe that Moses Mabhida won't fit a proper track.
 
The "velodrome" cycling track. MM is perfect.

In terms of room, its 40,000 rooms at guranteed IOC rates in the 3-5 star category i.e. even if you have 40,000 rooms you have to get each and every hotel to agree to set rates for 2020, 7 years in advance, so even if Durban has 6,500 existing 3-5 star rooms, it doesn't mean it will be able to guarantee all of them.

Cruise ships are not a guarantee but simply an interest to berth in Durban for 2020.
 
I tend to agree with CPTguy on this one..

I'm all behind my city for this bid (if they decide to actually put one through)... but there has to be LOTS of improvements to the city before our bid can actually be credible.
 
South African Selection Of 2020 Bid Candidate Premature
Sunday, September 19, 2010 1:24pm EDT GB Staff
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When the SA Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee (Sascoc) announced last week that Durban would be South Africa's candidate for the 2020 Summer Olympic Games, it said Durban was the only city to have submitted a bid.

Sascoc CEO Tubby Reddy said Cape Town, Johannesburg and Port Elizabeth had been invited to submit bids, but "we have received no response".

Now Cape Town says it was not given a formal deadline for the submission of its bid, and Johannesburg and Port Elizabeth deny ever being invited to bid, reports Times Live.

Cape Town's communications director Pieter Cronje said the city had asked Sascoc to give it enough time to submit a bid, but had received no response. He said, "hosting the Olympics is a major project which requires guaranteed national funding, a needs assessment for the facilities and venues required, the operations capacity to host, and an assessment of legacy benefits.

"Previous communication from Sascoc asked an open-ended question about the City of Cape Town's interest, but gave no process, format or deadline. That's why the city is now requesting a formal opportunity to consider the possible submission of a bid", he said.

Meanwhile Johannesburg's deputy director of communications, Nthatise Modingoane, said the city was not aware of any invitation from Sascoc. He said, "Johannesburg has never made any pronouncements regarding the submission of a bid to host the 2020 Olympic Games".

And Luncedo Njezula, Nelson Mandela Bay Metro spokesman, said he was not aware of an invitation to Port Elizabeth to submit a bid.
 
No format, no process, no deadline.

An expression of interest to build a stadium does not equate to a tender to build a stadium. An expression of interest is simply to check whether there is interest e.g. in building a stadium, or operating it etc.

Even when this "expression of interest" is complete, a formal process is launched regardless of those who have expressed interest.

Cape Town has maintained its position since before the WC

1. Complete post WC debrief and report to Council
2. Investigate fully an Olympic bid, but in particular a full events strategy consisting of valuable and viable annual events.
You can host a major event once off or e.g. the jazz fest an event brings in close to R500m every year.

SASCOC are based IN Johannesburg and yet the city of Jhb are clueless.

Anyway, SASCOC have been served with a summons to appear before parliament.
 
alf101 said:
Lance is aware of that. He's just being a twit.
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Oh really? In much the same manner you are being a twit referring to the name Durban. Not sure CapeTown is a very African name :rolleyes: At least we haven't stupidly expressed a desire to seek independence from the rest of he country.
 
Durban Smurban

Los Angeles, Seoul, Barcelona, Atlanta, Sydney, Athens, Beijing, London, Rio....see the trend? All of these cities are internationally renowned and/or have iconic status. Most foreigners would not have heard of Durban, those that do (for certain reasons such as marathon runners know about Comrades) still won't know where exactly it goes on a map of South Africa and the few that do know where it is would not be able to name landmarks or tell you what it is famous for.

Not saying that Cape Town or any other has a good or better chance, but it would certainly go against the trend of popularity, status, infrastructure etc. The only thing in favour of a South African city is the 'Africa's turn' aspect.

And as far as infrastructure and money is concerned, the city of the 'best Olympics ever' i.e. Sydney, is still impacted by lack of infrastructure (keeping pace with growth) ten years after the OG, i.e. roads, hospitals, industrial hubs and manufacturing infrastructure, because the reality -despite claims at the time that the games were under budget- is that the OG infrastructure has sucked a huge financial hole in public sector spending. The stadia are underutilised and running at a loss (written down and sold and resold), the precinct has never delivered economically on the expense of setting it up etc.

But is sure feels good to have it, and to have had it.

cheers
 
but Durban has everything in place.

From the news it seems as if cities were given 20 days after the WC to decide on an Olympic.

SASCOC: tell us if you are interested in bidding to host 2020, deadline in 20 days time (post WC literally)
CT: can we do a proper study? at least debrief the world cup with a proper report?
SASCOC: Durban is our candidate city.

Ramsamy, Zuma, Reddy, Reddy....
 
SASCOC are the incompetent ones.

Take JHB, its our sports capital, it hosted close to half the WC if not more than half, and suddenly its incompetent? even though its based in JHB, where SASCOC is based.

Why have Jhb and CT not taken this process seriously? Yes, Durban has been pro-active...but what exactly have SASCOC been doing?..

Before we get to the OG they have been served with a summons to appear before parliament on other issues...
 
I think the Olympic committee would deny Johannesburg as in athletics so many new world records would be set. EG Michael Johnson setting the 300m world record in Johannesburg Sir Usain Bolt failing to break it at sea level. Good luck to Durban for the bidding but I think South Africa are getting greedy bidding for everything. Are we that rich that we can bid for Olympics but can't pay most of our sportsman in minor sporting codes well.
 
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