Self determination

I would like a New age Afrikaans state. I don't particularly like the Orania setup. And I think most forward thinking Afrikaans people have similar opinions. Using Orania as a yard stick of people who want to self determine is pretty stupid :eek:

I think one of the downsides is that self-determination is always seen in a negative light, even with Israel as an example. It can be perceived as elitist, racist and even fascist, although I think with free roaming laws and just strict control on citizenship, it could work
 
I think one of the downsides is that self-determination is always seen in a negative light, even with Israel as an example. It can be perceived as elitist, racist and even fascist, although I think with free roaming laws and just strict control on citizenship, it could work

This is my honest opinion, and I know people will label and cry racism.

People should just do like they have done millions of years ago Stay in local groups separated by culture/race/creed/language whatever. The world will be a much better place if everyone just kept to their own "tribes" so to speak.

The idea that one "tribe" is superior to another is pretty retarded. However, "tribes" will do things their way and live their way. All this without having to cater to other "tribes" and worry about offending other "tribes" or stepping on the toes of other "tribes". Even if you look at any race, White protestants can't stand white Catholics and other way round. Zulus can't stand Khozas and so the list goes on and on.

World will be at peace if every group just kept to themselves and carried on with life.
 
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This is my honest opinion, and I know people will label and cry racism.

People should just do like they have done millions of years ago Stay in local groups separated by culture/race/creed/language whatever. The world will be a much better place if everyone just kept to their own "tribes" so to speak.



World will be at peace if every group just kept to themselves and carried on with life.

Which is all everyone tries to do anyway.

The forced multiculturalism of the left west is what is destroying humanity.
 
Former Zululand was not a country


Educate yourself.
 
I think one of the downsides is that self-determination is always seen in a negative light, even with Israel as an example. It can be perceived as elitist, racist and even fascist, although I think with free roaming laws and just strict control on citizenship, it could work
Like it does in Switzerland, where you have all the permutations between 2 religions (Catholic and protestant) and 3 language groups (French, Italian and German).

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0095660

This article is pretty much black pill level reading:
We have shown that groups that are not well-mixed but are geographically separated by natural or political boundaries into autonomous domains are peaceful in both Switzerland and the former Yugoslavia. Our work clarifies the ambiguities of mixed languages and religions in Swiss cantons by showing that in most cases the natural geography of the populations conspires to lead to a low level of violence, so that additional boundaries were not necessary; where they were needed, as in Graubünden, they were established. The highest calculated propensity to violence is between linguistic groups in the northern part of the canton of Bern, where historically unresolved real world tensions actually exist. Our analysis indicates that both administrative and natural barriers can play a significant role in mitigating conflict between religious and linguistic groups. Historical evidence suggests that for religious groups the boundaries in Switzerland were created to provide autonomy to a group with a shared identity and avoid conflict among multiple groups. Ongoing efforts to reduce tensions in Bern include introducing new political boundaries. The many political, social and economic factors that play roles in reducing violence [4]–[6], [9]–[14] build on a strong foundation of geographical borders. Our analysis suggests that when partition within a country is viewed as an acceptable form of conflict mitigation, such partition can give rise to highly stable coexistence and peace.
 
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Educate yourself.

It wasn't a country but a homeland formed to keep those people out of South Africa. They were restricted to the area by legislation. What do you think happened to indunas that didn't tow the line?
 
Switzerland is also the closest thing to a true democracy you can get.
Yup, they have huge separation of power in their country. Which means the president basically ends up as a normal government official.
Bwg7_tNCUAAsyGR


That is the Swiss president at a train station with no bodyguards.
 
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Which is all everyone tries to do anyway.

The forced multiculturalism of the left west is what is destroying humanity.
The forced multiculturalism that happened in the 1600?

It's been a long time we should just accept it and move on it's 2019
 
Yup, they have huge separation of power in their country. Which means the president basically ends up as a normal government official.
Bwg7_tNCUAAsyGR


That is the Swiss president at a train station with no bodyguards.
:cool:
 
Like it does in Switzerland, where you have all the permutations between 2 religions (Catholic and protestant) and 3 language groups (French, Italian and German).

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0095660

This article is pretty much black pill level reading:

If the Old NP did Apartheid right, I think South Africa would have been a 1st world country already... But alas, they oppressed the non-whites instead of building them up and creating separate economies and the likes.
 
Jirre - You are going to hear about all kinds of inventions that was a direct result of 1600's

The forced multiculturalism that happened in the 1600?

It's been a long time we should just accept it and move on it's 2019
 
It's been a long time we should just accept it and move on it's 2019


Why? I choose to associate with people I identify with, that share my culture and values. Why should I be bent to the will of those that I don't have a common ethos with?
 
If the Old NP did Apartheid right, I think South Africa would have been a 1st world country already... But alas, they oppressed the non-whites instead of building them up and creating separate economies and the likes.
You win this thread.
 
The forced multiculturalism that happened in the 1600?

It's been a long time we should just accept it and move on it's 2019

Not at all, it's not been working for 400 years. It worked for millions of years before. It's a failed experiment no one wants to admit it though as it's not PC to do so. Hasn't worked for 400 years, what makes you think it will work in the next 400 years
 
If the Old NP did Apartheid right, I think South Africa would have been a 1st world country already... But alas, they oppressed the non-whites instead of building them up and creating separate economies and the likes.

That basically was on the table, but the Nats just couldn't wean themselves from cheap black labour.
At the time that the NP came to power in 1948, there were factional differences in the party about the implementation of systemic racial segregation. The larger baasskap faction, favoured segregation, but also favoured the participation of black Africans in the economy as long as black labour could be controlled to advance the economic gains of Afrikaners. A second faction were the "purists", who believed in "vertical segregation", in which blacks and whites would be entirely separated, with blacks living in native reserves, with separate political and economic structures, which, they believed, would entail severe short-term pain, but would also lead to independence of white South Africa from black labour in the long-term. Verwoerd belonged to a third faction, that sympathised with the purists, but allowed for the use of black labour, while implementing the purist goal of vertical separation.[21]

Verwoerd's vision of a South Africa divided into multiple ethno-states appealed to the reform-minded Afrikaner intelligensia, and it provided a more coherent philosophical and moral framework for the National Party's racist policies, while also providing a veneer of intellectual respectability to the previously crude policy of baasskap.[22][23][24] Verwoerd felt that the political situation, that had evolved over the previous century under British rule in South Africa, called for reform.[25]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Verwoerd
 
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