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Been wondering wether it is worth paying someone to do this for you? I have been doing my own on site optimization but everyone I have spoken to seem to ephisize link building quite a lot. Then there are the tags, one oke says google only uses the body, the other says it only uses the title.

Anyone have experience with this? Don't want to be taken for a ride by someone charging me a lot of money per hour and at the end of the day it could be done myself. They all seem to quiet down and try to sound more professional when they find out you are a dev.
 
i don't know if this is gonna help you, but i know someone who does this professionally.

I can PM you his details if you want? (I'm not sure if he's going to give you the information you want or charge you).
 
i don't know if this is gonna help you, but i know someone who does this professionally.

I can PM you his details if you want? (I'm not sure if he's going to give you the information you want or charge you).

Been quoted 10k... A month:wtf: it can't be that hard, can it?
 
Been wondering wether it is worth paying someone to do this for you? I have been doing my own on site optimization but everyone I have spoken to seem to ephisize link building quite a lot. Then there are the tags, one oke says google only uses the body, the other says it only uses the title.

Anyone have experience with this? Don't want to be taken for a ride by someone charging me a lot of money per hour and at the end of the day it could be done myself. They all seem to quiet down and try to sound more professional when they find out you are a dev.

It all depends

Ask yourself what do I want to achieve in 6 months from now or a year

Google Adwords is a immediate way going to a company you gonna get raped

What is the site url ?
 
I get the long term investment thing, but investing 7k a month? PCC is an option if that's the cash you can spend each month. The web is filled with SEO tips and tricks and loads of free advice, something people want to charge top dollar for.

I'd rather wing it on my own and pay for profesional SEO later along the line, the only thing any of these "experts" have mentioned that I haven't read about myself is mass link building, something that googles newest algorithms are capable of picking up if you force it. Sound like a serious gamble to me, pay someone 7k a month to use grey hat methods and google decides to ban your domain, money well spent.

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Been wondering wether it is worth paying someone to do this for you? I have been doing my own on site optimization but everyone I have spoken to seem to ephisize link building quite a lot. Then there are the tags, one oke says google only uses the body, the other says it only uses the title.

Anyone have experience with this? Don't want to be taken for a ride by someone charging me a lot of money per hour and at the end of the day it could be done myself. They all seem to quiet down and try to sound more professional when they find out you are a dev.

I save you the 7k as anyone with some experience in SEO can sort out the most common problems - without seeing GWMT information or GA reports it's a bit tricky, but just looking at your site structure (took no more than 5 minutes):
- None of your pages use canonical links - i.e. http://solidcomputing.co.za/index.php?route=product/category&path=18_116 - this will hurt you with indexing and link-building
- See this report - http://www.webpagetest.org/result/111213_25_232cdc3044ebfa77cc5f55a0eecc286b/ and this one https://developers.google.com/pagespeed/#url=http_3A_2F_2Fwww.solidcomputing.co.za_2F&mobile=false --- too many JS and CSS - minify them and try and get one CSS and on JS which improves page load time

Biggest problem I see are your canonicals (i.e. menu, breadcrumbs, product pages). You should also look at implementing HPRODUCT and HREVIEW microformats for your products which will improve indexing. Ensure that your robots.txt points to a Sitemap-file (ensure, that it is GZIPPED and that it is made up of a SiteMapIndex (which includes entries to your various product categories as individual SiteMap files).

Only once you have done the basics, will a link-building be worth-while, but while back links will improve your page-rank, your site-structure is most important. Most of the SEO companies will pretty much tell you the same thing and overcharge you and will not provide any guarantees. Best way to monitor this is through GWMT and GA.
 
I save you the 7k as anyone with some experience in SEO can sort out the most common problems - without seeing GWMT information or GA reports it's a bit tricky, but just looking at your site structure (took no more than 5 minutes):
- None of your pages use canonical links - i.e. http://solidcomputing.co.za/index.php?route=product/category&path=18_116 - this will hurt you with indexing and link-building
- See this report - http://www.webpagetest.org/result/111213_25_232cdc3044ebfa77cc5f55a0eecc286b/ and this one https://developers.google.com/pagespeed/#url=http_3A_2F_2Fwww.solidcomputing.co.za_2F&mobile=false --- too many JS and CSS - minify them and try and get one CSS and on JS which improves page load time

Biggest problem I see are your canonicals (i.e. menu, breadcrumbs, product pages). You should also look at implementing HPRODUCT and HREVIEW microformats for your products which will improve indexing. Ensure that your robots.txt points to a Sitemap-file (ensure, that it is GZIPPED and that it is made up of a SiteMapIndex (which includes entries to your various product categories as individual SiteMap files).

Only once you have done the basics, will a link-building be worth-while, but while back links will improve your page-rank, your site-structure is most important. Most of the SEO companies will pretty much tell you the same thing and overcharge you and will not provide any guarantees. Best way to monitor this is through GWMT and GA.

Let the google'ing begin:D

There are two or three terms too many in there that I don't understand, once I have defined all the concepts for myself I'll see how much of it can be implemented. I face some restrictions due to the opencart template I am using.

Thanks again
 
Let the google'ing begin:D

There are two or three terms too many in there that I don't understand, once I have defined all the concepts for myself I'll see how much of it can be implemented. I face some restrictions due to the opencart template I am using.

Thanks again

Please - as a start try and change Opencart to use SEO friendly URLs - so your current URL "http://solidcomputing.co.za/index.php?route=product/category&path=18_116" should turn into something like this "http://solidcomputing.co.za/products/laptops_notebooks/apple". You can also look if Opencart supports at least the HPRODUCT microformat (have a look at this URL to see what Google could display - i.e. you can display price and availability within your search result)
 
Please - as a start try and change Opencart to use SEO friendly URLs - so your current URL "http://solidcomputing.co.za/index.php?route=product/category&path=18_116" should turn into something like this "http://solidcomputing.co.za/products/laptops_notebooks/apple". You can also look if Opencart supports at least the HPRODUCT microformat (have a look at this URL to see what Google could display - i.e. you can display price and availability within your search result)

Will work towards something like that, yet another one of those handy google tools that you never hear of...
 
Most of theses so called "SEO experts" are only in it for the money. Sure, they do some SEO stuff and your site's search rankings will improve - but you can do the same if you follow some of the free SEO tutorials / advice given all over the internet.

Google doesn't share their secrets and algorithms to the SEO expert cause they spend a lot of cash, google publishes this info on the internet for everyone to see. And anyone who has some time to read-up and learn how to apply the right SEO settings will achieve good results.

The R7K or R10K that you were quoted is to cover their: fancy office to impress clients, staff, electricity, water, phones, insurance, fancy cars, training, and probably a beach house in Richards Bay or something.

They generally spend a few hours with you on the campaign, and then a few hours a week, maybe a month to monitor it - definitely not R7K's worth.




Some free SEO tips:

- If you're building your own site then make sure the navigation, content, layout, etc is SEO friendly. i.e. a search engine should be able to navigate through your whole site and be able to get back home. search bots doesn't see stuff like you and I. They see mostly code and need to navigate around using the <a href=""> links. Don't use JAVA, of flash for your navigation.
- IF you use a CMS then use some of the popular SEO tools for that CMS. Both Joomla & Wordpress has some nice SEO plugins. Use them, and follow the developer's and plugin community's recommendations.
- Use friendly, easy to read URL's: http://www.mywebsite.co.za/cars/performance/ferrari.html tells me, and the google bots exactly what that page is about. http://www.mywebsite.co.za/content.php?cat=5&id=32 doesn't.
- Use H1, H2, H3, H4 tags to emphasize paragraphs, headings, etc.
- Use keywords to describe the page, in your header, as well as in the body. Thus, on the page above make sure you have "ferarri,cars,performance,red,tips, comparison" - etc. And use those keywords in your actual article. This will help the reader / searcher to see what the article is about when google search brings it up. Then when they click on your link, google notices it and flags your article as appropriate for the search term "Ferrari performance tips". Your next article, on how to restore a beelte to it's original condition would have the keywords "beetle,vw,restore,restoration,old,antique" for example.
- Content is King! Everybody says it, cause this is the most critical aspect of SEO. Your content needs to be fresh, en constantly updated. Don't copy & paste other guys's stuff, google has already seen it and probably already thinks it's BS. Be original and try and add new content on a regular basis.
- Link to, and if you can from, other high traffic sites which could boost your site. Look for a site which sells cars care kits, or a site which talks about cars sports and possibly have events about motor racing. This site will most probably be updated daily and could help your sites ranking.



Here's an example: http://www.carelinegroup.co.za didn't do very well but has increased their sales by about 80% in the last 4 or 5 months since applying these techniques.
http://www.zoozooland.co.za has grown so much that the lady has a waiting list and now needs to find a bigger property for the kids. She didn't do well before the SEO techniques were applied to the website. Another lady with a guesthouse could not keep up with guests during the last 3 years, right through recession and constantly had to refer guests to another guesthouse down the street. At the same time another guesthouse around the corner had to close down cause they didn't get any business in, and didn't have proper SEO on their website.


At R7K a month you could easily employ someone who could run your marketing department or webmaster and one of their duties would be to apply SEO techniques, while another would be to add new content to your website on a regular basis.
 
Thanks Rudi, all the advice given here makes a lot of sense and I agree, I can be implemented without the help of experts. I've been reading up on SEO for the last 2 weeks or so and the importance is becoming more and more apparent.

Te reason for this thread is to get advice on the proper way to do things, I'm not interested in all the grey and black hat methods people want to make use of. I was seriously socked to here that SEO will cost that much considering I know a PI who only spends 2-3k a month on PPC and he can't keep up with the demand this generates.

For 7k a month I can remove almost all my workload and give myself more then enought time to do my own SEO. At this stage I just can't have expenses like that reflecting on product prices, it will kill a new business.

Thanks for all the advice guys, got a good days reading ahead of me
 
Te reason for this thread is to get advice on the proper way to do things, I'm not interested in all the grey and black hat methods people want to make use of.
Don't touch blackhat, whitehat or greyhat stuff. google hats it and once your domain is blacklisted it stays blacklisted. I've learned this the hard way and it was easier to move a website to a new domain and rebuild it's popularity online than trying to convince google that it was a mistake and I want to have the domain cleared.


I was seriously socked to here that SEO will cost that much considering I know a PI who only spends 2-3k a month on PPC and he can't keep up with the demand this generates.
Both the guesthouse and zoozooland only use SEO techniques. They don't use adsense or anything else and it costs them far less than R7K.
 
Both the guesthouse and zoozooland only use SEO techniques. They don't use adsense or anything else and it costs them far less than R7K.

Sorry if this is a stupid question but what expenses do these websites have that are "far less than R7k". The way I understood SEO is if you implement it yourself properly it shouldn't cost you a cent?
 
You will need to use Adwords in order to attract new visitors. Organic search will only go so far... I would rather spend 7K/p.m. on Adwords (which will probably not even get you far depending on what keywords you are competing with).
 
You will need to use Adwords in order to attract new visitors. Organic search will only go so far... I would rather spend 7K/p.m. on Adwords (which will probably not even get you far depending on what keywords you are competing with).

Keyword for mainstream products are searched a fair amount of times per month with medium to low competition. IMO its not worth going for these campaigns though, I'd rather go for the keywords for parent categories(Laptops, Apple, Tablets etc) as these will are searched quite a lot each month. Thing is, I don't care much for PPC right now, any idiot can set up a PPC campaign with all the research tools google offers you.

I'm not a huge fan of PCC, most of the paid ads just about anywhere contain some seriously irrelevant bs most of the time. I'll try Adwords though, but with a very small budget. There's no point paying R4-R10 per click on a product where I barely make any cash. I don't want to pay for an SEO experts nice office so why should my clients pay for my Adwords campaigns?
 
Keyword for mainstream products are searched a fair amount of times per month with medium to low competition. IMO its not worth going for these campaigns though, I'd rather go for the keywords for parent categories(Laptops, Apple, Tablets etc) as these will are searched quite a lot each month. Thing is, I don't care much for PPC right now, any idiot can set up a PPC campaign with all the research tools google offers you.

I'm not a huge fan of PCC, most of the paid ads just about anywhere contain some seriously irrelevant bs most of the time. I'll try Adwords though, but with a very small budget. There's no point paying R4-R10 per click on a product where I barely make any cash. I don't want to pay for an SEO experts nice office so why should my clients pay for my Adwords campaigns?

You can manage your own Adwords campaigns. You will probably have to compete with many competitors (like us, Takealot, Kalahari, Wantitall) for the most popular keywords and you will probably pay in the region you mentioned for mainstream keywords. While a R10 per click sounds a lot, you need to factor in the life-time value of your customers. If any user provides you with R300 revenue per year, R10 for the acquisition is not much...
 
You can manage your own Adwords campaigns. You will probably have to compete with many competitors (like us, Takealot, Kalahari, Wantitall) for the most popular keywords and you will probably pay in the region you mentioned for mainstream keywords. While a R10 per click sounds a lot, you need to factor in the life-time value of your customers. If any user provides you with R300 revenue per year, R10 for the acquisition is not much...

True... Just a bit of a gamble to take against the big boys without their capital behind me... I will definitely experiment with Adwords at some stage, just not now. I'm a bit to scared taking a plunge like that with just my knowledge on the subject and at the rate I'm learning new things I dont have too much faith in it right now.

SEO is way more important to me at this stage, take the ComX group as an example, those okes have rock solid SEO implemented. Regardless of the component you search for, you'll find them in the first two pages. I know I'm quite a few years away from that but I need to lay the foundation to achieve those results now.

Update : I have been implementing SEO friendly URL's, but having some issues. Hopefully sort it tommorow.

Opinions on the site? User friendliness? Product info? You like?
 
All URL's are now SEO. Waiting for my SSL certificate to add to login and checkout pages as well as the entire admin side.
 
Just a little update :

So far I've been using meta tags, SEO friendly URL's and rich HTML content on all my pages and I'm starting to reach the first page for certain keywords. This is all in just over 2 weeks:wtf: screw paying for SEO!

Thanks to everyone who offered advice in this thread and my other
 
Just a little update :

So far I've been using meta tags, SEO friendly URL's and rich HTML content on all my pages and I'm starting to reach the first page for certain keywords. This is all in just over 2 weeks:wtf: screw paying for SEO!

Thanks to everyone who offered advice in this thread and my other

well done!
 
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