Separatist racist training camp

Beachless said:
Yes banned by the courts but the ANC claimed they will fight it, they also never apologized to anyone.

This camp seems quite crazy though.
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I agree the song sucked and I had a lot to say about the struggle songs at the time, but this is worse. Meaning... the song and this camp are evil, but in this case, the camp is more evil. The intention behind is more focused.
 
They sit down and have lessons on how the black person is more stupid than them
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As opposed to lessons on how all whites are criminals, land thieves, rapists, dogs .... ?

Sorry but comparing this public ' populist pandering ' to a klomp bos-khakis is disingenuous.
 
ghoti said:
Nope, no double standard. Just you not understanding really. I condemned Juju and his racist song just as I condemn this. I had plenty to say in the threads when it was brought up. I thought it was horrific and am glad it got banned. However I understand in your funny little world with your confirmation bias...you mind would glaze over my posts there and focus on the ones here only. Oh well. Same ol same ol.
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I didn't say you didn't condemn them, but you certainly didn't act out like this, as if you had been personally wronged by people even though you aren't their focus at all. It's that liberal mindset that gets people to over dramatize their position on one side, to prove how unracist they are. That's the double standard I was referring to, it's quite subtle and therefore much more pervasive.
 
daveza said:
As opposed to lessons on how all whites are criminals, land thieves, rapists, dogs .... ?

Sorry but comparing this public ' populist pandering ' to a klomp bos-khakis is disingenuous.
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When we people stop trying to shift blame? The blacks have the race card, the whites seem to now have the Malema card.
 
ghoti said:
I agree the song sucked and I had a lot to say about the struggle songs at the time, but this is worse. Meaning... the song and this camp are evil, but in this case, the camp is more evil. The intention behind is more focused.
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Singing about killing someone in front of the world is less evil than telling a bunch of kids to be racists and that a certain group is inferior to another?

I'm sorry but both of those serve the same purpose and the one being spouted by a "Leader" is way more harmful than some idiot talking to children.

Even as a kid my parents taught me to make my own decisions and this guy at the camp would have fallen into the rambling idiot department.
 
Beachless said:
Singing about killing someone in front of the world is less evil than telling a bunch of kids to be racists and that a certain group is inferior to another?

I'm sorry but both of those serve the same purpose and the one being spouted by a "Leader" is way more harmful than some idiot talking to children.

Even as a kid my parents taught me to make my own decisions and this guy at the camp would have fallen into the rambling idiot department.
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That raises another interesting question, what sort of parent sends a child to a camp like this?
 
Fudzy said:
That raises another interesting question, what sort of parent sends a child to a camp like this?
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Well no one doubts racist people exist, some kids might go cause their friends are going.

A small minority might condone this but the average Afrikaner is getting sick of being labelled as a racist at every opportunity someone can find, I bet you more people get killed a month than this guy "Trains" in a year but somehow this gets all the focus.
 
ghoti said:
Evidence please.... evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I want to see evidence that there are black camps with racism lessons in it like this. I wanna see evidence that black people are going to these camps and are being taught to hate white people in the same way this camp is doing. A bunch of black youth meeting at nationalist rallies dont cut it unfortunately. I wanna see the same type of evil we see these hectic white racists doing.
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I feel the hatred in your writing. Don't worry though. In a few decades there will be no whites for you to hate no more. You specifically search for such extremist individuals and portray them to represent the entire race. I hate to say this but you force me to- do yourself a favour and listen to the song (youtube) Madiba himself sang on the day of his release from prison. Action like yours does not bring people together my friend. Public exposure is good but on occasion is even better to adopt a "watchful waiting" tactic. You try to put out a small and insignificant fire with a liquid. Unfortunately that liquid is not water :(
 
TheHiveMind said:
I didn't say you didn't condemn them, but you certainly didn't act out like this, as if you had been personally wronged by people even though you aren't their focus at all. It's that liberal mindset that gets people to over dramatize their position on one side, to prove how unracist they are. That's the double standard I was referring to, it's quite subtle and therefore much more pervasive.
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No again, thats just your bias speaking again. I was very vocal. I opened up threads on international forums to help educate people to the focused racism from Juju and his songs and the affects it was having. I was specifically vocal around the time that wheel tapper Eugene TB was killed. I did my best to bring international attention to the issue. lol.. you are so wrong. haha.
 
reading all these posts,

the only thing i can think of is that these white people have been affected severly since the apartheid "ended" and became a "democracy".. maybe several of them got affected by black people and like some have said, people tend to stereotype others and now they hate all blacks. I myself and my family have been affected hugely by BEE and several other instances which im not going to mention in this post which i can understand the frustrations of many white people. I am not racist, i hate everone equally! but i do not trust a black person and would rather trust a white person over a black person from all my personal experiences in life (sure there are a few decent black people but the majority i have met have either screwed me over or are not trust worthy in anyway)

Maybe these guys feel what a lot of people in this country fear (a war breaks out with black people singing songs like shoot the boer, i guess that is not too far fetched considering). maybe they are just preparing for the future.. its really not hard to see why both sides act like this........
 
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Beachless said:
Well no one doubts racist people exist, some kids might go cause their friends are going.

A small minority might condone this but the average Afrikaner is getting sick of being labelled as a racist at every opportunity someone can find, I bet you more people get killed a month than this guy "Trains" in a year but somehow this gets all the focus.
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Agreed though the problem here are the people here trying to justify the camps.
 
daveza said:
As opposed to lessons on how all whites are criminals, land thieves, rapists, dogs .... ?

Sorry but comparing this public ' populist pandering ' to a klomp bos-khakis is disingenuous.
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No its not. I put it on the same level as the "Mandela is a ******" (to the tune of nkosi sikalela) crap. I find lectures when you spend hours dehumanizing and discussing racism way more dangerous than populist songs. Sorry we wont see eye to eye on this.
 
Agreed though the problem here are the people here trying to justify the camps.
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We must be reading with different eyes.

Most comments from us whiteys are saying they are a bunch of retards who need to get a life - and that ' the other ' side are not innocent of racism.

Justifying - hardly.
 
I do get the feeling these kind of camps are the tip of the ice berg.

They must have support systems to enable these camps, meaning that there is organization behind this, organization and structure.

Would they have camps for little boys and not camps for the older guys who have already been to the army?
Also these camps would be useless without follow ups.

I wonder why they allowed access to the camps ? I also wonder how much access they allowed ?

A more scary idea is that these guys are connected to the "Boere army" that were planning to take over the government.

If there are any paramilitary type organisations planning terror or invasions, it will be really unfortunate.
 
ghoti said:
No again, thats just your bias speaking again. I was very vocal. I opened up threads on international forums to help educate people to the focused racism from Juju and his songs and the affects it was having. I was specifically vocal around the time that wheel tapper Eugene TB was killed. I did my best to bring international attention to the issue. lol.. you are so wrong. haha.
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Then you are the exception.
The general rule of this game is that you are allowed to condemn anti white racism, as long as you condemn white racism to a noticeably higher degree, as a white person. Only then will your ramblings on anti white racism have a chance to be taken seriously.
 
It's 150 kids guys - not even enough to fill a small movie house.

Let's not start suggesting they are some kind of sarie marais stormtroopers.
 
Nerfherder said:
I do get the feeling these kind of camps are the tip of the ice berg.

They must have support systems to enable these camps, meaning that there is organization behind this, organization and structure.

Would they have camps for little boys and not camps for the older guys who have already been to the army?
Also these camps would be useless without follow ups.

I wonder why they allowed access to the camps ? I also wonder how much access they allowed ?

A more scary idea is that these guys are connected to the "Boere army" that were planning to take over the government.

If there are any paramilitary type organisations planning terror or invasions, it will be really unfortunate.
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These Right/Left wing parties and groups exist everywhere as long as they are a minority and are dealt with when they break the law they are usually no risk.

The problem comes in when they have a podium and grow into a big group.
 
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