SERIOUS question about cultural differences

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I am a white female.

NOT always, but in the majority of cases where I interact with black persons on a daily basis, whether it is my domestic worker, the maintenance staff at the apartment where I live, the security guards at the gate or a number of other people, I always greet them first. It does seem to be different in the business world, though.

If a day comes where I am deep in thought or upset or for some reason not extending a greeting first, they will not greet. Surely if we are to improve race relations it would be better if it came from both sides?

Is there a black person on the forum who can advise? Or anyone else with knowledge of the cultural custom :D
 
NOT always, but in the majority of cases where I interact with black persons on a daily basis, whether it is my domestic worker, the maintenance staff at the apartment where I live, the security guards at the gate or a number of other people, I always greet them first. It does seem to be different in the business world, though.

Maybe, just maybe, it is a result of your status relationships with these people, rather than race?
 
Maybe, just maybe, it is a result of your status relationships with these people, rather than race?

Maybe, but we make a point of talking to the people, not just greeting and running past. When they have a problem, they come to us and vice versa.
 
This is just stupid....
So if you angry you dont greet other people from different cultures?:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I greet everyone I see, irrespective of their race and irrespective of my mood. It's the polite (and in the case of the work, professional) thing to do.
 
Being the serious type that i am - i would strongly advise you wear a hat with 'HELLO'.
 
I am a white female.

NOT always, but in the majority of cases where I interact with black persons on a daily basis, whether it is my domestic worker, the maintenance staff at the apartment where I live, the security guards at the gate or a number of other people, I always greet them first. It does seem to be different in the business world, though.

If a day comes where I am deep in thought or upset or for some reason not extending a greeting first, they will not greet. Surely if we are to improve race relations it would be better if it came from both sides?

Is there a black person on the forum who can advise? Or anyone else with knowledge of the cultural custom :D

For me, it's exactly opposite :D

I'm generally shy and quiet, and I slip in to work quietly rather than greeting everyone I go past. Whereas the security guards and the cleaning ladies make a point of greeting - unfortunately, even if I'm deep in thought.

I think it's more of a personality difference than a cultural difference.
 
I think alot of black people on the lower level of income secretly believe they are racially inferior because of history and the society we live in. That means they have low self esteem. Its a big psychological problem and is very destructive. It also explains some of the racism they have towards whites who are still seen as supposedly the top of the food chain in the world we live in.

That is just a theory I have. Im probably completely wrong
 
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I have to say that our domestic helper, complex maintenance staff, work maintenance staff and security gaurds are always ready with a smiling welcome when I see them.

But maybe that's just because I'm such a spectacular person :P
 
I have to say that our domestic helper, complex maintenance staff, work maintenance staff and security gaurds are always ready with a smiling welcome when I see them.

But maybe that's just because I'm such a spectacular person :P

danny crane?
 
I was once told that it is the done thing for the "senior" person to greet first in some black cultures, thereby acknowledging the "junior" person, and it being bad form for the "junior" to greet first. So your non-greeters are just being well-mannered. Maybe a bit misguided by this "senior/junior" bit, but nevertheless....

If this is true - I cannot claim to speak for other cultures but no-one had brought this up.
 
It is entirely true...

A junior will not speak until spoken to from my experience... Its more than just a little disorientating to be honest, but I greet everyone regardless, makes people feel at ease.

(bofh mode on) lets me disarm them so I can make them pay for being alive later (bofh mode off)
 
I am a white female.

NOT always, but in the majority of cases where I interact with black persons on a daily basis, whether it is my domestic worker, the maintenance staff at the apartment where I live, the security guards at the gate or a number of other people, I always greet them first. It does seem to be different in the business world, though.

If a day comes where I am deep in thought or upset or for some reason not extending a greeting first, they will not greet. Surely if we are to improve race relations it would be better if it came from both sides?

Is there a black person on the forum who can advise? Or anyone else with knowledge of the cultural custom :D

As far as i know, the black culture (especially the xhosas) don't greet you first, out of respect. However, in our culture it's considered rude.

Ah, cultural differences..... :rolleyes::D
 
Personally I hate greetings. The "Hello, how are you" thing pi__es me off. The polite way of always saying "Fine thank you" is also not ok with me either. Sometimes I'm fine and sometimes I'm not, sometimes I'm busy and don't want to be disturbed.
 
If a day comes where I am deep in thought or upset or for some reason not extending a greeting first, they will not greet. Surely if we are to improve race relations it would be better if it came from both sides?
In African cultures usually the person who *approaches* (or e.g. enters a room) should greet first, hence your (sharp) observation there, you are spot on. (It has little to do with "status" or "ingrained beliefs about racial inferiority" - man, what bollocks, some of you are reading so much into something you don't understand at all, and are just guessing based on white-ignorant-views!) Anyway, it may well be perceived as rude if you don't greet (for whites it's quite normal not to greet strangers, at least not usually considered "off" - hence we often seem rude 'by default' to Africans). Also if I enter a room and the person in the room doesn't greet me *I* would regard that as very rude, however, in African culture I'm the one "being rude", so both end up offended. There are other rules/differences and it differs a bit between cultures (e.g. in some, men greet the women, sometimes age comes into it) but I think the "person who approaches" is probably the most common norm, especially in 'cosmopolitan' areas, keep an eye out for this, you'll see the pattern in many situations.

There are other differences that create misunderstandings quite easily, especially since both blacks and whites are mostly very ignorant of each others cultures (yes, ignorant BOTH WAYS, you WILL be surprised how little most blacks know about even the most basic 'western cultural manners'). A few examples: In African cultures it is common and highly respectful to greet or call a person, especially a male, by surname only - if you call them by first name it means they are far beneath you or you believe them to be beneath you. In Western culture if you call somebody by their surname or refer to someone by their surname only, without title e.g. "Mr", that can often be interpreted as *extremely* rude. It's also specifically disrespectful in African cultures to call esp. a male by his first name; if I am introduced to someone I would usually "instinctively" want to "allow" them to call me by my first name to indicate (mutual) respect - but it would be uncomfortable/unnatural for an African male to do so.

In African cultures, men are also supposed to introduce themselves to one another when meeting for the first time. So if you're sitting with some African colleagues that know you, and someone new walks in that they know and you don't, and nobody 'introduces you' - well, that may seem downright rude to you as you sit there 'waiting' for someone to introduce you, but in fact it would not be right of them to 'introduce you', you are supposed to introduce yourself.

As I recall there are also other norms that create misunderstandings but these may be 'fading'. For example in our culture if someone very important walks into a room full of people you stand up out of respect, traditionally (I think) they would sit down out of respect, standing would be disrespectful (as you should make yourself 'lower' than the important person).

Women are also in some situations not supposed to make eye contact with men because that's regarded as 'slutty', I don't know the ins and outs of that one though, but for a guy if a woman seems to avoid looking at you it doesn't necessarily indicate rudeness as it might seem.

The way we are so 'isolated' from our neighbours e.g. often don't even know our own neighbours also is less natural to Africans.

In our culture it is HIGHLY rude to invite yourself over to someone else's place under most circumstances, not so in African cultures, in fact if someone is e.g. having a social gathering nearby it may be rude not to stop by (not completely sure on this, but it's the impression I've gotten). (I recall reading a 'letter to the editor' once of a black person who had moved into a white neighbourhood and was complaining how rude and racist all the whites were for not having pro-actively *come over* for tea etc. - not realising that in our culture it would be rude to do that.)

If somebody bumps their toe or otherwise does something clumsy, *you* say 'sorry' (I don't completely 'get' that one). If gossiping, don't say the name of the person you're gossiping about, instead refer to them by description (e.g. 'that one who is driving the new silver BMW' or something like that).

Plenty more. These things are mostly so deeply ingrained it's difficult for either side to change their behaviour even when aware of the differences, let alone when in ignorance. It's a minefield out there.
 
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