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Hi All
Pretty sure this has been asked before but anyway...
I bought into Steinhoff as newbie a few years ago when their share price plummeted to next to nothing. This was my first time buying shares. I sold the shares again soon afterwards.

So, now I have reopened my EasyEquities account and would like to start up again.
My question is, how do some of you go about choosing which shares to buy - What should I be looking for to make smart choices?
I'm not looking to make a fortune but would like to see some short term growth.

Any advice?

Thanks
 
What kind of trading do you want to do passive or active.
 
What kind of trading do you want to do passive or active.

Something in between I guess - I don't mind having a hands on approach but I don't want to be glued to my screen for the entire day.
I'd like to see some sort of growth in about a 6 month to 1 year time frame.

What I'd like to be able to do is make a few trades at the beginning of the day and leave it as is until the next day.
My problem is I have no idea which shares to invest in.

Thanks
 
Hi All
Pretty sure this has been asked before but anyway...
I bought into Steinhoff as newbie a few years ago when their share price plummeted to next to nothing. This was my first time buying shares. I sold the shares again soon afterwards.

So, now I have reopened my EasyEquities account and would like to start up again.
My question is, how do some of you go about choosing which shares to buy - What should I be looking for to make smart choices?
I'm not looking to make a fortune but would like to see some short term growth.

Any advice?

Thanks
I pick a couple of well managed ETFs and let their people do the rest of the thinking
 
Thanks
Something like Satrix 40?
Do you sell/buy daily?
Yeah, something like that. No, I buy once and leave it. I've always believed a good investment is worth keeping. If I did my homework on the share before I buy there is no reason to sell unless something significant has changed.

Apart from Satrix 40, options to consider include Satrix MSCI world, Satrix MSCI China and Sygnia 4IR.
 
What I did in the past was invest the majority of my money in ETF's and the have a smaller amount I use to gamble with. So the big investments I just keep an eye on but the gambling amount I buy and sell individual shares with on a more regular basis. Just note EE is not an active trading platform so it is missing things like stops etc which help a lot for active trading.
 
Yeah, something like that. No, I buy once and leave it. I've always believed a good investment is worth keeping. If I did my homework on the share before I buy there is no reason to sell unless something significant has changed.

Apart from Satrix 40, options to consider include Satrix MSCI world, Satrix MSCI China and Sygnia 4IR.
Thank you
From this, you've seen reasonable growth?
 
What I did in the past was invest the majority of my money in ETF's and the have a smaller amount I use to gamble with. So the big investments I just keep an eye on but the gambling amount I buy and sell individual shares with on a more regular basis. Just note EE is not an active trading platform so it is missing things like stops etc which help a lot for active trading.

Thank you

So, let's say I choose 4 ETF's and every month I throw R1000 into my account and split it evenly among those 4 ETF's and just leave it.
Good plan?
 
Hi All
Pretty sure this has been asked before but anyway...
I bought into Steinhoff as newbie a few years ago when their share price plummeted to next to nothing. This was my first time buying shares. I sold the shares again soon afterwards.

So, now I have reopened my EasyEquities account and would like to start up again.
My question is, how do some of you go about choosing which shares to buy - What should I be looking for to make smart choices?
I'm not looking to make a fortune but would like to see some short term growth.

Any advice?

Thanks

If you don't know, buy an ETF and call it done. I suggest something like synagia world.
 
Thank you

So, let's say I choose 4 ETF's and every month I throw R1000 into my account and split it evenly among those 4 ETF's and just leave it.
Good plan?

Yup,

Only thing to think about is concentration risk. You might find once you add up all the ETFs that most of the stock is in the US. You would have to understand if that is ok or if you want to buy more stock from else where.
 
Thank you

So, let's say I choose 4 ETF's and every month I throw R1000 into my account and split it evenly among those 4 ETF's and just leave it.
Good plan?

You have to look into transaction costs as well. I'd probably drop it to 2 or 3 ETFs depending on the diversification and regions of the chosen ETFs. And then do R1000 on a specific one each month ie. alternate buying.

It gets a bit complicated as you can buy one ETF and have a proper diversified investment across a range of countries and industries or buy 3 that are basically the same investment. There's also the amount of risk you are prepared to take etc.
 
You have to look into transaction costs as well. I'd probably drop it to 2 or 3 ETFs depending on the diversification and regions of the chosen ETFs. And then do R1000 on a specific one each month ie. alternate buying.

It gets a bit complicated as you can buy one ETF and have a proper diversified investment across a range of countries and industries or buy 3 that are basically the same investment. There's also the amount of risk you are prepared to take etc.
Thanks

So using the advice from @Speedster ...Something like SATRIX 40 + SATRIX MSCI World + Satrix MSCI China would give me a decent level of diversity?
 
Thanks

So using the advice from @Speedster ...Something like SATRIX 40 + SATRIX MSCI World + Satrix MSCI China would give me a decent level of diversity?

I agree with what speedster said you would have SA, US, China and some others in there which is pretty diverse. You can then choose how much you invest into each of those.
 
What I did in the past was invest the majority of my money in ETF's and the have a smaller amount I use to gamble with. So the big investments I just keep an eye on but the gambling amount I buy and sell individual shares with on a more regular basis. Just note EE is not an active trading platform so it is missing things like stops etc which help a lot for active trading.
I do the same, although I have had mixed results.

@OP, a fair amount of my portfolio is individual stocks. I try stick to the 1% rule (only keep up to 1% of my portfolio in an individual stock), however in most cases I have failed miserably because I only thought of doing this way after I started investing, and some have really climbed. I would say at least 60% of my portfolio is in ETFs. Less risk because you're holding more companies. That's how I see it.

I have had some luck with good stock picks, all of them really US ones like Nvidia, With my kind of investing skills, it's really a gamble. So if I know something about a company that's of use, like "AMD is releasing some good stuff, they might do well", I will buy stock. That's as far as I go. For the most part, this philosophy has worked well, in others, not so much. Often the poor decisions I've made with these have come out on top if I've waited long enough. I am of course not talking about a Steinhoff or Enron scenario though - those are a different level of bad decisions :D

I am a fan of the ETF method, but I also recommend spending some time thinking about where you want your money to go, what sort of growth you expect from it, and if you have a lot to through around - what currency you want your money to be in. As an example, a large portion of my portfolio is in S&P 500, but in dollars. The thinking here is I am trying to protect my money from the rand tanking. Is that a good plan? No freaking clue :D You could achieve the same growth (if you exclude currency swings) by investing in an EFT that tracks the S&P 500 on the JSE though.

Also read the MDD for each ETF you plan on investing in so you actually get an idea of what companies you're investing in and in what sectors. Another thing to bear in mind is overlap - there might be a few of the same companies in the SATRIX China ETF as there are in the MCSI World one (don't know for sure, using it as an example).

Another thing to look out for is cost. Now this I am not 100% sure of, but I have seen a lot of companies (local and international) track the same index. So I usually look for the cheapest one. But again, the MDD is important here, as Satrix 40 and Coreshares Top 40 may hold the same companies, but the ratios differ between then. Costs might differ too.

So using the advice from @Speedster ...Something like SATRIX 40 + SATRIX MSCI World + Satrix MSCI China would give me a decent level of diversity?
Another option is Ashburton 1200. More exposure, but at a bit of a higher cost I think. It's up to you to decide if it's worth it or not. I have seen people mention that Ashburton 1200 or Satrix MSCI is the only ETF they invest in.

I really only started my journey in 2017, and it's been constant learning since then. I made lots of mistakes by investing in some random ETFs that IPO'd and lost money or just didn't go anywhere. Since then I've been trying to regroup with a more simplified approach in terms of the amounts of ETFs I hold, but is a timely process as I am waiting to hit the break even point before I bail.

Bonus part of the speech: If this is a serious long term HODL for you, I recommend prioritising your TFSA when it comes to holding ETFs. What I wish I had done from the start is go all out on international exposure there, and only hold local in my ZAR account. But that may not be the best for you though.
 
I do the same, although I have had mixed results.

@OP, a fair amount of my portfolio is individual stocks. I try stick to the 1% rule (only keep up to 1% of my portfolio in an individual stock), however in most cases I have failed miserably because I only thought of doing this way after I started investing, and some have really climbed. I would say at least 60% of my portfolio is in ETFs. Less risk because you're holding more companies. That's how I see it.

I have had some luck with good stock picks, all of them really US ones like Nvidia, With my kind of investing skills, it's really a gamble. So if I know something about a company that's of use, like "AMD is releasing some good stuff, they might do well", I will buy stock. That's as far as I go. For the most part, this philosophy has worked well, in others, not so much. Often the poor decisions I've made with these have come out on top if I've waited long enough. I am of course not talking about a Steinhoff or Enron scenario though - those are a different level of bad decisions :D

I am a fan of the ETF method, but I also recommend spending some time thinking about where you want your money to go, what sort of growth you expect from it, and if you have a lot to through around - what currency you want your money to be in. As an example, a large portion of my portfolio is in S&P 500, but in dollars. The thinking here is I am trying to protect my money from the rand tanking. Is that a good plan? No freaking clue :D You could achieve the same growth (if you exclude currency swings) by investing in an EFT that tracks the S&P 500 on the JSE though.

Also read the MDD for each ETF you plan on investing in so you actually get an idea of what companies you're investing in and in what sectors. Another thing to bear in mind is overlap - there might be a few of the same companies in the SATRIX China ETF as there are in the MCSI World one (don't know for sure, using it as an example).

Another thing to look out for is cost. Now this I am not 100% sure of, but I have seen a lot of companies (local and international) track the same index. So I usually look for the cheapest one. But again, the MDD is important here, as Satrix 40 and Coreshares Top 40 may hold the same companies, but the ratios differ between then. Costs might differ too.


Another option is Ashburton 1200. More exposure, but at a bit of a higher cost I think. It's up to you to decide if it's worth it or not. I have seen people mention that Ashburton 1200 or Satrix MSCI is the only ETF they invest in.

I really only started my journey in 2017, and it's been constant learning since then. I made lots of mistakes by investing in some random ETFs that IPO'd and lost money or just didn't go anywhere. Since then I've been trying to regroup with a more simplified approach in terms of the amounts of ETFs I hold, but is a timely process as I am waiting to hit the break even point before I bail.

Bonus part of the speech: If this is a serious long term HODL for you, I recommend prioritising your TFSA when it comes to holding ETFs. What I wish I had done from the start is go all out on international exposure there, and only hold local in my ZAR account. But that may not be the best for you though.

I now also almost exclusively buy tech shares when I buy individual stocks, because there at least I follow the news. For the rest I do ETFs.
There is a lot of overlap, and if you buy "world" shares, most of it will end up in US companies anyway. Therefore I look for the Euro and Chinese specific ETFs as well.

As for buying and selling regularly - by the time you get your information, the big players have known it for a long time (relatively of course) and the price has already been adjusted to take that news into account.
Unless you are lucky and found out about the Gamestop short on Reddit a couple of days ago (and had a way to buy that stock)
 
I do the same, although I have had mixed results.

@OP, a fair amount of my portfolio is individual stocks. I try stick to the 1% rule (only keep up to 1% of my portfolio in an individual stock), however in most cases I have failed miserably because I only thought of doing this way after I started investing, and some have really climbed. I would say at least 60% of my portfolio is in ETFs. Less risk because you're holding more companies. That's how I see it.

I have had some luck with good stock picks, all of them really US ones like Nvidia, With my kind of investing skills, it's really a gamble. So if I know something about a company that's of use, like "AMD is releasing some good stuff, they might do well", I will buy stock. That's as far as I go. For the most part, this philosophy has worked well, in others, not so much. Often the poor decisions I've made with these have come out on top if I've waited long enough. I am of course not talking about a Steinhoff or Enron scenario though - those are a different level of bad decisions :D

I am a fan of the ETF method, but I also recommend spending some time thinking about where you want your money to go, what sort of growth you expect from it, and if you have a lot to through around - what currency you want your money to be in. As an example, a large portion of my portfolio is in S&P 500, but in dollars. The thinking here is I am trying to protect my money from the rand tanking. Is that a good plan? No freaking clue :D You could achieve the same growth (if you exclude currency swings) by investing in an EFT that tracks the S&P 500 on the JSE though.

Also read the MDD for each ETF you plan on investing in so you actually get an idea of what companies you're investing in and in what sectors. Another thing to bear in mind is overlap - there might be a few of the same companies in the SATRIX China ETF as there are in the MCSI World one (don't know for sure, using it as an example).

Another thing to look out for is cost. Now this I am not 100% sure of, but I have seen a lot of companies (local and international) track the same index. So I usually look for the cheapest one. But again, the MDD is important here, as Satrix 40 and Coreshares Top 40 may hold the same companies, but the ratios differ between then. Costs might differ too.


Another option is Ashburton 1200. More exposure, but at a bit of a higher cost I think. It's up to you to decide if it's worth it or not. I have seen people mention that Ashburton 1200 or Satrix MSCI is the only ETF they invest in.

I really only started my journey in 2017, and it's been constant learning since then. I made lots of mistakes by investing in some random ETFs that IPO'd and lost money or just didn't go anywhere. Since then I've been trying to regroup with a more simplified approach in terms of the amounts of ETFs I hold, but is a timely process as I am waiting to hit the break even point before I bail.

Bonus part of the speech: If this is a serious long term HODL for you, I recommend prioritising your TFSA when it comes to holding ETFs. What I wish I had done from the start is go all out on international exposure there, and only hold local in my ZAR account. But that may not be the best for you though.
Good points all around. Regarding the MSCI World, it actually has zero Chinese exposure hence why the MSCI China ETF is a good diversifier to it.URTH_Geography.png
 
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