Sharks Supporters Thread

[DJ...]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Plumtree has overstayed his welcome? It concerns me that Plumtree cannot do more with the players he has at his disposal. On paper the Sharks should be able to crush just about any other team imo.

If I look back on our losses, I cannot attribute them to poor tactics, players in the wrong positions or poor team cohesion. I attribute them mostly to simple mistakes made by individuals. I've got no problems with Plumtree.

I'd love to see Grant Bashford given the reigns at some point but I'm a little biased towards Bashy...

 

[GreGorGy]

Yeah I heard nothing from 2 serious Sharks haters about any sketchy reffing? I'll see if I can watch it again somehow and try spot these 'biased' calls

Well, I was at RAMFEST and did not watch the games - rather got the highlights so no comment

And you know I would've commented!

 

[BobsLawnService]

If I look back on our losses, I cannot attribute them to poor tactics, players in the wrong positions or poor team cohesion. I attribute them mostly to simple mistakes made by individuals. I've got no problems with Plumtree.

I'd love to see Grant Bashford given the reigns at some point but I'm a little biased towards Bashy...

The Sharks have been looking very unimaginative and uninspired on attack this season. Even the tries against the Lions were thanks to the Lions scrappy play. Better teams aren't going to gift tries like that (See our games against the Bulls and Stormers for evidence of this.)

Both the Stormers and Bulls also came up with very effective plans to open up the Sharks defence at half time. They put us under pressure and we did not do well.

 

[Pixual]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Plumtree has overstayed his welcome? It concerns me that Plumtree cannot do more with the players he has at his disposal. On paper the Sharks should be able to crush just about any other team imo.

Nope. I agree with that sentiment, to a degree. The forwards (with the exception of B.Du Plessis) are playing fine, it's the backs, who are under Hugh Reece-Edwards' control who seem to have absolutely no friggin idea what to do with the ball when they get it.

In all three games so far there has been a total lack of aggression in the backs. They aren't carrying the ball up with meaning and it's almost like they look to offload it as soon as they get it. In addition, they seem to be giving the opposition a lot of time with the ball in hand before they make any kind of hit. They aren't closing down the space fast enough and against the NZ teams that is going to be suicidal.

It's not like they don't have the players. They just don't seem to have the vision.

 

[Abe]

There was really a lack of cameras for the try line decisions. I mean they only had 2 angles to work with. One would think there'd be 3 or 4. Mvovs one was a bit touch and go, I thought it was a try. The Lions try needed another angle. Sykes held the ball up when the Lions player went to touch it down.

The problem is that there was one angle (although the camera was a little bit further out) that showed his foot in touch. It looks like John Mitchell has even lodged a formal complaint about it and the assistant referees in general. I can understand the ref getting the first try wrong because it was at game pace and there were a lot of arms in the air but there is no way that the assistant referee should have messed up the Mvovo try. Those sort of things have a huge impact on the outcome of the game. The joke of a forward pass from Butch James also could have had a massive impact because it put the Sharks on attack right in the Lions 22. I can't remember if anything happened from that.

 

[Abe]

Yeah I heard nothing from 2 serious Sharks haters about any sketchy reffing? I'll see if I can watch it again somehow and try spot these 'biased' calls

It's probably because of how I watched it. I had the PVR paused so I caught up a the game after it finished and had the luxury of pausing and looking at things again.

 

[Creag]

Nope. I agree with that sentiment, to a degree. The forwards (with the exception of B.Du Plessis) are playing fine, it's the backs, who are under Hugh Reece-Edwards' control who seem to have absolutely no friggin idea what to do with the ball when they get it.

In all three games so far there has been a total lack of aggression in the backs. They aren't carrying the ball up with meaning and it's almost like they look to offload it as soon as they get it. In addition, they seem to be giving the opposition a lot of time with the ball in hand before they make any kind of hit. They aren't closing down the space fast enough and against the NZ teams that is going to be suicidal.

It's not like they don't have the players. They just don't seem to have the vision.

Been watching Bismark and do agree he needs stern coaching on the laws relating to the ruck and maul. Could save us a few points.

It's probably because of how I watched it...

Aha! So you watched it with one eye closed!

 

[Abe]

Been watching Bismark and do agree he needs stern coaching on the laws relating to the ruck and maul. Could save us a few points.

He seems to have also gotten very aggro of late. He is such a good player and it's not necessary. It's almost like he feels that he has to prove himself because he wasn't first choice in the World Cup (which he should have been).

Aha! So you watched it with one eye closed!

Is there any other way

 

[Creag]

Is there any other way

Does a loyal supporter ever not?

 

[Pixual]

He seems to have also gotten very aggro of late. He is such a good player and it's not necessary. It's almost like he feels that he has to prove himself because he wasn't first choice in the World Cup (which he should have been).

No ways, dude. He is nowhere near being the best hooker in this country, imo. The lineout lost stats when he is on the field will back me up on that. Personally I'd choose Tiaan Liebenburg over him any day.

 

[PhreeMe]

No ways, dude. He is nowhere near being the best hooker in this country, imo. The lineout lost stats when he is on the field will back me up on that. Personally I'd choose Tiaan Liebenburg over him any day.

I still say he is the best hooker in SA. While part of the hooker's job is obvious (throwing a good lineout ball) having your team actually jump for the ball would also help. There seems to be confusion in the Shark's lineout calls....

As a hooker in the scrum and overall ability on the field, there is not another hooker in our country that is as effective as he is on the field. Call it fanboi'ism, but while he may give penalties away, look at how many turnovers he affects....

 

[Devill]

I still say he is the best hooker in SA. While part of the hooker's job is obvious (throwing a good lineout ball) having your team actually jump for the ball would also help. There seems to be confusion in the Shark's lineout calls....

As a hooker in the scrum and overall ability on the field, there is not another hooker in our country that is as effective as he is on the field. Call it fanboi'ism, but while he may give penalties away, look at how many turnovers he affects....

Bismarck can be awesome when his head is on right on the day. He needs to learn to channel the "anger" and realise that he is now a senior player that has to start showing some class.

He should focus on his throw in at the line out as this is killing him atm. I really hope that he sorts himself out as at the moment I feel that he is not 65% of the player he could be.

 

[DJ...]

I still say he is the best hooker in SA. While part of the hooker's job is obvious (throwing a good lineout ball) having your team actually jump for the ball would also help. There seems to be confusion in the Shark's lineout calls....

As a hooker in the scrum and overall ability on the field, there is not another hooker in our country that is as effective as he is on the field. Call it fanboi'ism, but while he may give penalties away, look at how many turnovers he affects....

I don't believe it is a problem with the jumpers. I believe the calling is off, particularly from Keegan Daniel, who I rate as a player but not as a captain...

 

[Creag]

I don't believe it is a problem with the jumpers. I believe the calling is off, particularly from Keegan Daniel, who I rate as a player but not as a captain...

Who would give captaincy to then? What about Botes?

 

[undesign]

Please help a brother out, I need to increase my Superbru winning % and margin points. Are the Sharks going to lose by -

A) 0 - 5 points
B) 6 - 10 points
C) more than 10?

Thanks!

 

[Devill]

Please help a brother out, I need to increase my Superbru winning % and margin points. Are the Sharks going to lose by -

A) 0 - 5 points
B) 6 - 10 points
C) more than 10?

Thanks!

Haha

I think I am actually going for a Sharks win with 6.

 

[PhreeMe]

Bismarck can be awesome when his head is on right on the day. He needs to learn to channel the "anger" and realise that he is now a senior player that has to start showing some class.

He should focus on his throw in at the line out as this is killing him atm. I really hope that he sorts himself out as at the moment I feel that he is not 65% of the player he could be.

I can concede to some of that
He has had noticably different performances in the matches thus far. To me he started showing his 'old' self again in the Lions match. I do agree his performance was somewhat jaded in the first 2 games.

I don't believe it is a problem with the jumpers. I believe the calling is off, particularly from Keegan Daniel, who I rate as a player but not as a captain...

Agree'd and my apologies. I didn't intend the blame to be placed on the jumpers.... my intention was to say what you just said
There is definite confusion between the call and what transpires thereafter and would agree that the call may be the problem.

I REALLY agree on the captaincy/player bit. That guy punches way above his weight for his position. Honestly, I would've given the captaincy to Sykes or Botes.

 

[undesign]

Haha

I think I am actually going for a Sharks win with 6.

Don't start with your conniving tendencies.

Difficult game to call this one.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

There is a general Super15 thread, please don't troll the supporter thread with your idiocy, kthx

 

[Creag]

Please help a brother out, I need to increase my Superbru winning % and margin points. Are the Sharks going to lose by -

A) 0 - 5 points
B) 6 - 10 points
C) more than 10?

Thanks!

D) Sharks win by 3 - 5 ... now go troll elsewhere!