Should SAAF be fighter capable (Gripens)

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Why have fighters in an air force?
Should SAAF be fighter capable?
Should the Gripens be soled off?

I'm asking these questions, as it is an issue in many so-called neutral countries. The Swiss are in this same discussion at this very moment. They are a truly neutral nation if ever there was one, yet they do have a small fighter force and are in the process of acquiring new ones. Most likely Gripens.
The Swedes are supposedly neutral, but has a big fighter force! Their force level is well above a hundred aircraft. The same can be said of Canada, Japan, Indonesia, Spain, Portugal, Brazil Chili and many others.
The point is that few of these nations have any immediate threads, with the possible exception of Japan. They are not in a standing conflict or have any international interests that might require their assistants, yet they choose to have a fighter force, why? Well, why do you have insurance? Why? We simply live in an uncertain world, as it was over the ages. Only now, things develop much faster, simply because of the pace of life. Whatever the status quo is today, you can be quite certain it won’t be the same in 10 years from now.
It is a means of deterrence without equal if one ignores nuclear capability. It is the only means of delivering a rapid response over long distances if you do not have cruise missiles. The fighter is the best defense against another fighter when covering a vast border like ours and it can deliver a mighty blow with high levels of precision to an enemy.

My opinion is that we should be fighter capable! Many nations around South Africa do have some form of a fighter force. Angola, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Botswana and Mozambique all operate some fighters. How well these are maintained and operated might be a bit questionable, but they do have them. One has to ask what your own strengths are and how you see yourselves in this scenario. Add to this our international aspirations, standing with-in Africa and the level of involvement within the UN, AU and SADC, and it is quite obvious to me that a fighter capability is a must. There should even be some cereous consideration for a more capable fighter if one consider what some of our neighbors have.. A SU30 is not something one can take on with a peashooter. (Sorry for that)

Therefore, seeing that this is a esencial, expensive, high technology and labor intensive system to acquire and maintain, there is no way that we can even consider selling off our fighter force. It will be like suicide in a political and real sense. It is simply not something to even be considered. In fact, I believe this under funding should be reversed with at most urgency! The lack of proper leadership and over all racist policies should be halted immediately. We are all citizens of this country and we should all have equal opportunity, equal treatment and an equal rite to defend this beautiful country of ours. My plea is for the goewrment to wake up or get out. South Africa and its people want to move on! Get it rite or leave!
http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6581
 
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Small, well-equipped and well-trained, that is what we should aim for in all branches (air, navy and army) and that does include a multi-role fighter. A drone program could also be beneficial in securing our borders.
 
I normally let it slide, but really, work on your spelling.

We actually need more fighters. Not expensive ones like the Gripen, but a squadron of light attack craft to assist in counter-insurgency, ground attack and embargo enforcement. The Gripen is a decent fighter plane, it is a good match for any opposition we can face in Africa, can be operated from a forward deployment site as long as there is a section of tarred road. The South African variant is actually modified to allow a faster refuel on the ground.
But its overkill if you are enforcing a embargoed no-fly zone over the Sudan, or if you need to give fire-support to ground troops of a UN intervention force. Even the Super Tucano - which Angola is buying - might be a bit too expensive to operate.

The Gripens allow us to offer air support somewhere very quickly, but a decent light attack plane would be able to offer a lot more in the long run.
New Zealand scrapped their fighters a few years ago due to the simple reasoning that they did not need it. They now focus on patrol and transport duties. They did not have any close potential threats that warranted a fighter compliment. We do.
 
What do we need fighter aircraft for - is Lesotho going to invade ?

Have we ever had a fighter aircraft fire a shot in anger ?
 
I normally let it slide, but really, work on your spelling.

We actually need more fighters. Not expensive ones like the Gripen, but a squadron of light attack craft to assist in counter-insurgency, ground attack and embargo enforcement. The Gripen is a decent fighter plane, it is a good match for any opposition we can face in Africa, can be operated from a forward deployment site as long as there is a section of tarred road. The South African variant is actually modified to allow a faster refuel on the ground.
But its overkill if you are enforcing a embargoed no-fly zone over the Sudan, or if you need to give fire-support to ground troops of a UN intervention force. Even the Super Tucano - which Angola is buying - might be a bit too expensive to operate.

The Gripens allow us to offer air support somewhere very quickly, but a decent light attack plane would be able to offer a lot more in the long run.
New Zealand scrapped their fighters a few years ago due to the simple reasoning that they did not need it. They now focus on patrol and transport duties. They did not have any close potential threats that warranted a fighter compliment. We do.

This.

We have the bare minimum needed. 26 Gripens if I'm correct. Makes up two squadrons. We bought 24 Hawk 100s Lead-In Fighter Trainer which have some combat capabilities.

We need more planes, at least 4 heavy transports (C-130 or equivalent), at least 6 light transports (EADS CASA C-295 or equivalent) and at least 6 maritime patrol/rescue assistance craft (based on the light transport plane)

Also probably need 24 light attack aircraft of propeller type or more Rooivalk attack helicopters (we have 12).
 
Any in South Africa since 1945 ?

I'm pretty sure American fighter aircraft haven't fired a shot/missile in anger in US sovereign airspace since forever. British aircraft haven't fired a shot in anger in their own airspace since 1944/45 either. On a technicality maybe they did over the Falklands and a few other colonies.

EDIT: I think US fighter aircraft did engage Japanese aircraft over Hawaii during Pearl Harbour, but that is probably as close as they got.
 
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For sure we need them, great vehicle to keep the gravy train on track
 
I'm pretty sure American fighter aircraft haven't fired a shot/missile in anger in US sovereign airspace since forever. British aircraft haven't fired a shot in anger in their own airspace since 1944/45 either. On a technicality maybe they did over the Falklands and a few other colonies.

EDIT: I think US fighter aircraft did engage Japanese aircraft over Hawaii during Pearl Harbour, but that is probably as close as they got.

I think it got quite close in 2001
 
I'm pretty sure American fighter aircraft haven't fired a shot/missile in anger in US sovereign airspace since forever. British aircraft haven't fired a shot in anger in their own airspace since 1944/45 either. On a technicality maybe they did over the Falklands and a few other colonies.

EDIT: I think US fighter aircraft did engage Japanese aircraft over Hawaii during Pearl Harbour, but that is probably as close as they got.

Hawaii only joined the union in 1959, so technically a fighter has never fired a shot in anger in US airspace.
 
Hawaii only joined the union in 1959, so technically a fighter has never fired a shot in anger in US airspace.

Yes they have. A few Japanese fire balloons were shot down.....
 
I'm pretty sure American fighter aircraft haven't fired a shot/missile in anger in US sovereign airspace since forever. British aircraft haven't fired a shot in anger in their own airspace since 1944/45 either. On a technicality maybe they did over the Falklands and a few other colonies.

So what do we need fighters for ?

We have a black government in black Africa so nobody is going to invade or attack us.

Since the end of WW2 we have spent many fortunes on planes, ships, subs etc - when apart from a skirmish or two in Angola they have not been used for purpose ever.

We need helicopters, not fighter planes.

To go further there are some countries which have no military whatsoever, they spend nothing on defence and nobody invades them because they are vulnerable.

R40 billion could be put to better use.

Wiki:

The SANDF is involved in a number of internal operations, including:[9]

Safeguarding the Border (Operation CORONA) - what border ?
Disaster relief and assistance (Operation CHARIOT) - non military.
Safety and security (Operation PROSPER) - yet we cannot use the army on the Flats for example.
Security for the 2013 African Cup Of Nations (Operation PHEFO) - seriously ?
 
So what do we need fighters for ?

We have a black government in black Africa so nobody is going to invade or attack us.

We might strike oil. Then again nothing will save us from invasion and occupation.
 
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