Singapore 2008 - Did Renault Cheat?

Willie Trombone

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I was one of the guys who was lambasted for suggesting this back then...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78195
The FIA is to launch an investigation into the events at last year's Singapore Grand Prix, where Renault's Fernando Alonso claimed victory on the back of a crash by his team-mate Nelson Piquet.

Alonso's success was sealed by the timing of a safety car in the early stages of the inaugural event - which had been called out when Piquet crashed into the wall shortly after his team-mate stopped for fuel.

The timing of Piquet's crash prompted wild conspiracy theories that the Brazilian had been ordered to deliberately spin to help Renault take its first victory of the year. Piquet himself insisted at the time that the accident had been caused by him simply trying too hard.

"It was my mistake," said Piquet. "We tried two extreme strategies with Fernando quite short and me quite long in the hope of getting a safety car. If I hadn't crashed I would have been lucky with the safety car later in the race because I was very happy.

"We're always scraping the walls, and once you've touched the wall a little too much and lose control that's it."

It is understood, however, that fresh evidence about the events that took place in the race have now come to light - which has prompted the FIA to step in.

Piquet was dropped by Renault after this year's Hungarian Grand Prix, and has been outspoken in his criticisms of the outfit - and in particular team principal Flavio Briatore. It is not clear if the Brazilian himself has been a catalyst for the investigation, or if the evidence has come from elsewhere.

The FIA has not elaborated on the details of its inquiry, but a spokesperson confirmed to AUTOSPORT that an investigation was under way.

"The FIA can confirm that an investigation is underway regarding alleged events at a previous world championship race," said the spokesperson.

Should the FIA investigation suggest there is any evidence of foul play involved, then the governing body could call a hearing of the World Motor Sport Council to discuss the matter.
 

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Ja, they'll likely get away with it but it does put the FIA and their inconsistency in the spotlight again - and tarnishes the name of the 'sport'.
 

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Well it could also be sour grapes possibly. I think if mclaren stealing ferrari's info did not tarnish the sport i doubt this will.
 

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Well it could also be sour grapes possibly. I think if mclaren stealing ferrari's info did not tarnish the sport i doubt this will.

Could be sour grapes, but would you be interested in learning that Renault and / or Alonso deliberately stole that win? Interesting to see the contrast in the reactions when it's McLaren.
 

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See the mclaren okes will not let go of this mclaren is always getting nailed thing.

Move on i reckon, if that is the case then punish them, i remember when the whole thing about ferrari and mclaren broke everyone was saying no mclaren are not guilty they would never, yet they did.

Those okes said mclaren are just being nailed because they are mclaren but then the proof came out and alonso and hamilton admitted it, so please stop with this mclaren BS i think. They lost any credibility they had when they decided they needed to steal ferrari's info. Not to mention the FIA never supported ferrari's claims of the brawn cheating, so again the theory of the FIA are pro ferrari was again proven to be nothing but BS.
 

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See the mclaren okes will not let go of this mclaren is always getting nailed thing.

Move on i reckon, if that is the case then punish them, i remember when the whole thing about ferrari and mclaren broke everyone was saying no mclaren are not guilty they would never, yet they did.

Those okes said mclaren are just being nailed because they are mclaren but then the proof came out and alonso and hamilton admitted it, so please stop with this mclaren BS i think. They lost any credibility they had when they decided they needed to steal ferrari's info. Not to mention the FIA never supported ferrari's claims of the brawn cheating, so again the theory of the FIA are pro ferrari was again proven to be nothing but BS.

No-one said pro ferrari, and yes, it's true that there are elements who have a grudge against a successful team like McLaren. It's life - same for Ferrari - you or I can't change that, no use letting it get to you ;)
Dude, you are so uptight - don't worry, it's nearly Friday :p
 

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I am never uptight :D, maybe it seems so but generally it is just the way i post :D
 

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Lol, i wuz gonna say, crikey, you either had a double helping of Ferrari win and are cocky today or your missus made you sleep on the couch ;) :D
 

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I am not really a ferrari fan in all honesty, i tend to change season to season and support drivers not cars.
 

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Bernie threatens Piquet

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78232
Sounds to me like a not so veiled threat aimed at Piquet who is eyeing a return to F1 as part of a team managed by his dad... My question is why threaten Piquet but not so much as mention Briatore? :) hmmmm the plot thickens.

Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone has warned that there could be 'serious' consequences for both Nelson Piquet and Renault if an investigation into race-fixing at last year's Singapore Grand Prix uncovers anything suspicious.

The FIA is currently looking into claims, which emerged during last weekend's race weekend in Belgium, that Piquet may have been asked to crash deliberately in Singapore last year to help team-mate Fernando Alonso win.

The nature of the claims, or who has provided them, has not been revealed, and the FIA has only confirmed that it is looking into 'events' at a previous world championship race.

However, Ecclestone has confirmed that the incident being looked at is Singapore - and says he and the governing body is taking the matter seriously.

"The FIA has launched a thorough investigation into the allegations about Nelson," Ecclestone said. "I do not know if they are true or not.

"But if they are true then I would have thought Nelson was in just as much trouble. If I tell you to go and rob a bank and you get caught you can't say, 'Well Bernie told me to.'

"It all seems very strange to me and I do not know the truth."

Should the FIA find any evidence of foul play then it would most likely call a meeting of its World Motor Sport Council to discuss the matter. If the WMSC finds Renault guilty, then punishments range from a reprimand through to fines, race bans and even exclusion from the world championship.

On the back of the recent 'Bloodgate' controversy that has dogged rugby, Ecclestone said that FIA would come down hard on any guilty party.

"If the investigation finds out that that is what happened then I think there is going to be a lot of trouble," he said. "You hear of these things happening with jockeys and in football and it has led to all sorts of trouble, hasn't it?

"If it is true then it is a very serious situation. But it could just be a rumour and Nelson is just annoyed that he has been fired.
 
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Well nelson would be doing himself no favours by admitting this if it indeed did happen, can kiss his f1 career good bye if he still has one.
 

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Well nelson would be doing himself no favours by admitting this if it indeed did happen, can kiss his f1 career good bye if he still has one.

IMO, he has organised some sort of amnesty to escape punishment. But I would not put this sort of thing past Briatore or Alonso for that matter.
 

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Neither do i but regardless if nelson has amnesty the fact will always remain why did he do it and why does he only come clean after they fire him?

If you are going to do something dodgy like this you shut the F up about it regardless if you get fired, he got fired because he sucked and now he seems to have a chip on his shoulder, it is not like flavio and renault never gave him ample opportunity to prove his worth. So trying to get back them seems to me that it will end any hope he had of returning to F1.
 

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Well I guess you might have a chip on my shoulder too if I worked for Flav alongside Alonso I think but chip or no chip, this is interesting news. I suspect he is spilling the beans because he has been denied a chance of return.
 

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Well Bernie said that he thinks that Renault will want to pull out because of the controversy, so it must be pretty hectic or substantiated in some way.

I wouldn't put it past Alonso tho, i mean the guy wouldnt allow his teammate too refuel once. But F1 is always going to be in controversy over drivers "mistakes", i can remember Schumi's "stall" around the final corner before the tunnel in Monaco, ending the quali early and putting him top.

Has anyone worked out what the championship would have looked like if alonso was disqualified?
 

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Well i think nelson has more than a good opportunity to prove his worth, he failed at that in my opinion.

Now he is pissed off.
 

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I don't think F1 can handle much more 'controversy'... Bullet to the head now, and a new manufacturer-led series me thinks. Not that it'll happen.

Oh, and people who just slap the word '-gate' on the back of any scandal should be dragged out to the street and shot! :mad:
 

Willie Trombone

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I don't think F1 can handle much more 'controversy'... Bullet to the head now, and a new manufacturer-led series me thinks. Not that it'll happen.

Oh, and people who just slap the word '-gate' on the back of any scandal should be dragged out to the street and shot! :mad:

Probably one of the reasons they want Flav out now... this may play into the FIA's hands. Flav was one of the outspoken ones with the breakaway.
 
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