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I've been wondering... there are a couple of satelite services in europe running over south africa, I have 2 or 3 satelites here and have a couple of international satelite channels (especially the french porn channel ;) )

Now, for around R60k a month, you can get something like a 55mb pipe via satelite. To those who's like "woa, lotta money dude, no way!" think of it this way... Telkom charges for a 512k leased line (depending on the contention) round about the same.....

I would be really naive here and say... why don't we clap together this wasted monies... give it to me... then as a service to the whole of south africa, download anything you want :D (okay, the last part got a bit selfish there)

but what do you guys think? some of you might be more clued up on the legalities of this, but a friend of mine works for a broadcasting station (no, sabc is not the only one) who mainly does business in europe, and they have satelites capable of 200mb etc etc. (Transtel springs to mind?)
 
isn't that downlink only? or 55mbit downlink with liek a 768k uplink
 
Sounds grate
I have a satelitte dish and receiver so i have couple of my european programs...but i dont know how everything will work with internet?
 
noone said:
I would be really naive here and say... why don't we clap together this wasted monies... give it to me... then as a service to the whole of south africa, download anything you want :D (okay, the last part got a bit selfish there)
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Sorry to say, but if this was legal don't you think the ISPs would have bypassed Telscum long ago? Our dear old Ivy still grants Telscum full monopoly on this... FYI Yes our dear old friend... uuugghhh!,... Sentech also have a license, but as you know they 2 are just a bunch of GOV dead weights and therefore incapable of putting up any real challenge to Telscum...
 
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noone said:
I have 2 or 3 satelites here and have a couple of international satelite channels (especially the french porn channel ;)
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I'm surprised you haven't gone blind already... :D
 
still sounds like a realy cool idea...wounder if it can be done without catching the attention of ivy???
 
brooko said:
still sounds like a realy cool idea...wounder if it can be done without catching the attention of ivy???
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I don't think you would find a satellite provider who'd be foolish enough to do this for a single line... They too can't wait for the market to open up...
Only way is to build your own satellite + rocket and send it up there... Do we have any rocket scientists in this forum? :rolleyes:
 
Noone,

I type under correction but I think there are two problems with your suggestion. The pipe you refer to comes with a CAP, but I am not sure what it is & ICASA control the spectrum including any one wanting new SAT Channels. I think all the SAT spectrum runs through Sentech and they have various offerings suing the Inmarsat Service and will be launching a new service soon.
 
[)roi(] said:
Sorry to say, but if this was legal don't you think the ISPs would have bypassed Telscum long ago? Our dear old Ivy still grants Telscum full monopoly on this... FYI Yes our dear old friend... uuugghhh!,... Sentech also have a license, but as you know they 2 are just a bunch of GOV dead weights and therefore incapable of putting up any real challenge to Telscum...
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As far as I know, internet solutions and uunet both have satelite links... oh, and dont forget sentech... so yes, it is legal
 
yeah it *could* work but your uplink will be small, you'd become the head of a new ISP and therfor when your users use too much you will become the new bad guy

anyways theres already infrustructure in the form of JAWUG ready for people to network with, all you need to do is put your internet gateway (with the satelite or whatever) on the jawug network
 
noone said:
As far as I know, internet solutions and uunet both have satelite links... oh, and dont forget sentech... so yes, it is legal
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A simple read of the telecoms act would tell you that this is not the case, It's either Telkom provided or Sentech provided; Now ask yourself if it were really open why would IS + Mweb + others have even bother to show their faces at the past ICASA hearings? Surely then they would have been able to bypass Telkom, and we wouldn't be complaining about prices...

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Now before someone shoots me down for not being completely correct, yes I read that there is another company underway with a different set of satellite services (just can't think of the name at the moment), basically Telkom + Sentech services terminate at the earth station and then feed via leased circuits, e.g. you can't do a straight dish to dish transmission; this new service apparently resolves this issue. That all said the law still however leans strongly towards Telkom, and trust me until it is changed Telkom will make sure that legally no-one can go around it...

In summary every connection from another country is legally required to terminate with Telkom, Telkom is the only one that can provide a link up in the local loop...
 
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I for one would say **** the legality. We are being screwed left right and centre by Telkom, SenTech, iBurst and the cell companies. I have long been an advocate for creation of our own infrastructure, at block level, using satellite, WiFi, copper, whatever. The only trouble is, you have to do this in such masses that the Government has to take notice and recognise free/cheap telecomms as a fait accompli, in effect making it legal. The only way one can do that is by attracting the townships. Free VOIP?
 
venterap said:
I for one would say **** the legality. We are being screwed left right and centre by Telkom, SenTech, iBurst and the cell companies. I have long been an advocate for creation of our own infrastructure, at block level, using satellite, WiFi, copper, whatever. The only trouble is, you have to do this in such masses that the Government has to take notice and recognise free/cheap telecomms as a fait accompli, in effect making it legal. The only way one can do that is by attracting the townships. Free VOIP?
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Quite frankly I think the townships have more to worry about than VOIP...
 
slimothy said:
yeah it *could* work but your uplink will be small, you'd become the head of a new ISP and therfor when your users use too much you will become the new bad guy

anyways theres already infrustructure in the form of JAWUG ready for people to network with, all you need to do is put your internet gateway (with the satelite or whatever) on the jawug network
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http://www.nodedb.com/africa/za/?

Very interesting....endless possibilities
 
[)roi(] said:
Quite frankly I think the townships have more to worry about than VOIP...
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Yes, I was trying to think of ways to make it attractive to township dwellers who might not have need of/could not buy PCs, without taking too much away from data services. VOIP sprang to mind as a way of providing cheap phone calls (say a few shebeens/spazas with phone centres) and the rest of the "illegal" network having decent broadband. Say you lived in Wendywood, right opposit from Alexandra, or Dainfern/Chartwell & Sevenwacht, or Olievenhouitbosch & Rooihuiskraal/Eldoraigne could team up in such networks. Now, if you can also hack into SenTech's teleport at Crowthorne...
 
venterap said:
VOIP sprang to mind as a way of providing cheap phone calls (say a few shebeens/spazas with phone centres) and the rest of the "illegal" network having decent broadband.
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A noble cause, but reality says the GOV has to deliver on a number of fronts, housing, running water, sanitation, etc... Looking at this it becomes scary to think that the GOV does immediately jump when corporate says something like Telkom is stunting economic growth... Bigger economy = more jobs = more taxes (GOV revenue) = more money for housing, etc...
Somehow they don't quite get it do they... The problem is that unfortunately the ANC only has 1 or 2 really effective people (Mbeki + Manual), can't say anyone else really stands out for me...
 
Some embassies have their own up/down link.

They pay R50 000.00 or so annual license fee to ICASA to use the skies above -
and then some more.
 
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