Smart Lamp Switches?

ipodmusicman said:
Thankfully, with them being lamps, the "state" of the physical switch does not bother me (it would if I had to use Sonoff/Shelly for lights in conjunction with existing wall switches which I don't). It seems that going with @calypso's idea with using 4-core cable, but placing the Sonoff Mini out of sight perhaps stuck on top of the 3-pin plug itself could work thus retaining the existing switch as well. An option to consider.
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Mini is going to be your simplest option I think yeah... but you'd need 4 core wire like you said or use 2 core but you'll then need three ends to your cable: 1 pair to the plug, 1 pair to the lamp and 1 pair to your little switch.

I'd recommend getting a little enclosure box from communica or similar with small glands to keep it safe and neat.
 
ipodmusicman said:
Oooo this does look interesting and exactly what I need, but can one get the button itself in South Africa?
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Tinuva said:
Do you have these in stock now? And if so, which colors?
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Just a sidenote, it appears like Shelly has less compliance approvals in SA than Sonoff.
Have nothing against Shelly, and love the devices - but it does appear to be a point of contention at the moment and the reason why many aren't using it extensively in our homes.
 
SAguy said:
Just a sidenote, it appears like Shelly has less compliance approvals in SA than Sonoff.
Have nothing against Shelly, and love the devices - but it does appear to be a point of contention at the moment and the reason why many aren't using it extensively in our homes.
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Hi SA guy,
We're working on the ICASA certification for each of the devices.

Do bare in mind that Shelly EU release new products quarterly.
For this reason Shelly ZA have to earmark select devices for ICASA certs, so as to keep the retail cost of each as affordable as possible.
 
ShellySA said:
Hi SA guy,
We're working on the ICASA certification for each of the devices.

Do bare in mind that Shelly EU release new products quarterly.
For this reason Shelly ZA have to earmark select devices for ICASA certs, so as to keep the retail cost of each as affordable as possible.
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Thanks @ShellySA
Do you bring in the shelly flood and the gas sensor?
 
SAguy said:
Thanks @ShellySA
Do you bring in the shelly flood and the gas sensor?
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ICASA certs are 6k a pop, plus the costs of labeling each device accordingly.

Gas sensor is subject to EU revision, so certifying this device would not be possible at the moment.

We have retirement village and medium residential developers interested in Flood for bathroom and Kitchen applications, therefore there is a good chance of certification for flood.
 
SAguy said:
Just a sidenote, it appears like Shelly has less compliance approvals in SA than Sonoff.
Have nothing against Shelly, and love the devices - but it does appear to be a point of contention at the moment and the reason why many aren't using it extensively in our homes.
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Well aware of it. Excellent devices though and unfortunately I prefer their dimmers over the sonoffs and also I think these buttons are excellent.
 
ipodmusicman said:
Hi folks,

I have bedside lamps that I would like to automate, but I want to simply replace the switch itself that is located within the power cable between the lamp and the plug with a single smart switch that contains a button to control it and can control using Home Assistant. I really don't want to install a relay and have a separate battery operated button to control it - I want everything in one small package.

For instance, I want HA to turn them on, but when I'm in bed, me just hitting the switch to turn it off is a lot quicker.

Seems that something like this does not exist. Anybody come across a switch like this?
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Hi @ipodmusicman.

Would you consider Shelly DUO bulbs (E27 screw type) for your bedside lamp application?

These have phased dimming, colour temp (between 2700 candlelight and 6000 daylight, Kelvin)

They're bright too at 800 lumens.
And well, will built in power monitoring, which isn't a big deal for led.

Works well with the laps existing manual on/off button.

ICASA certified.
 
@ShellySA unfortunately not. Firstly, the light bulb sockets are bayonet, but as indicated, I also need a physical switch to work hand-in-hand with the automation side of things. The Shelley button would be perfect for this, but I somehow doubt that it will come to SA any time soon.
 
Got my Shelly 1s and buttons. Wow, but I did not expect the buttons to be this big. Wouldn't have an issue finding those while fumbling in the dark to switch the lamp on.
 
maumau said:
Well tell me then please.

If he wants to remotely switch the light on and off and Sonoff has one that fits the wall plug why not use it?
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The reason people like me use theses things is not so much using an app as it is about automation. its right there in the name Smart lamp.

I want light to turn on when alarm goes off in the morning, also to turn on at 9pm at night close to bed time but I also want to have manual control so I don't have to announce to the house that I wanna pee at 1 am, nor fumble for a phone in the dark.

So need both manual and auto control ie: switching plug with easy access at night ;)

TLDR: Manual switch override state for automation to happen.
 
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ShellySA said:
Hi @ipodmusicman.

Would you consider Shelly DUO bulbs (E27 screw type) for your bedside lamp application?

These have phased dimming, colour temp (between 2700 candlelight and 6000 daylight, Kelvin)

They're bright too at 800 lumens.
And well, will built in power monitoring, which isn't a big deal for led.

Works well with the laps existing manual on/off button.

ICASA certified.
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I will +1 to this idea. I have one lamp with this bulb and it is great. Very easy to get up and running and has all the same functionality that Mcguyvering a relay on will provide. It is clean and easy. Will also integrate no problem with HA out the box.

Now I just want to get more!!
 
maumau said:
Well tell me then please.

If he wants to remotely switch the light on and off and Sonoff has one that fits the wall plug why not use it?
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Because thats only half the use of the switch. You also want one that works manually, like the old-school switch that sits on the cable between plug and lamp.

There are the following requirements:
1. Switch on/off via wifi
2. Switch on/off via classic switch that sits in the cable
3. Must look good, as in neat and clean and shouldn't look like a mcguyer jobbie - thanks @AlmightyBender

Having a wifi wall plug switch means you don't get #2
Having a wifi bulb means you dont get #2
Having a sonoff mcguyver means you dont have #3

I specifically want all my automation to works automatically, but also if there are other people over who don't know better, they can still flick switches manually and those switches will still be where any person will expect them to be. Something to be said for being cool but user-friendly at the same time.
 
Tinuva said:
Because thats only half the use of the switch. You also want one that works manually, like the old-school switch that sits on the cable between plug and lamp.

There are the following requirements:
1. Switch on/off via wifi
2. Switch on/off via classic switch that sits in the cable
3. Must look good, as in neat and clean and shouldn't look like a mcguyer jobbie - thanks @AlmightyBender

Having a wifi wall plug switch means you don't get #2
Having a wifi bulb means you dont get #2
Having a sonoff mcguyver means you dont have #3

I specifically want all my automation to works automatically, but also if there are other people over who don't know better, they can still flick switches manually and those switches will still be where any person will expect them to be. Something to be said for being cool but user-friendly at the same time.
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Yeah it is a tough situation to get to a fool-proof point. If you want 1, 2 and 3 at the same time you will need to replace the original switch/relay with a smart one at some point in the circuit AND completely disable the ability of a switch to cut power to the smart relay regardless of where it is. All switches of all kinds must be smart switches and all of them must update the same state variable for that device.

I have the luxury of having a lekka wife that understands tech and enjoys gadgets and all that so I just asked her not to touch the traditional switch and she understands why. Thus the bulbs are the best option for my situation.

To get good at 1,2 and 3 you need to become proficient at your Mcguyver skills and have quality finishing and detailing for all your tinkering. Can be done.
 
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