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Every day the announcement of an SNO is delayed, Telkom can entrench itself better in the marketplace with less chances of success for the SNO.



South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.
 
what else would you expect? It almost seems like this whole SNO debacle is like a carrot dangling exercise to keep business in SA... BUT the SNO probably wont happen! Well at the rate its going anyway
 
I hate to say it, but the word CORRUPTION comes up... I have a stinkin' feeling that this is what's slowing things down...

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http://www.bd.co.za/bday/content/direct/1,3523,1671982-6078-0,00.html

Every day the announcement of an SNO is delayed, Telkom can entrench itself better in the marketplace with less chances of success for the SNO.



South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.
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### What we need in South Africa is cheap 24/7, always on Internet for under R300 a month. ###
 
should we compare the rollout of ARV medication and the SNO incompatant corrupt prats is what i was thinking
 
arv is a funding problem. Our health system is in a pinch considering the costs of medicine and the cost of professional staff. Its all fine and dandy to say the gov has to provide arv medicine but if there just isnt any funding?

Wonder if the scorpions can do a probe into our faithful dept of communications pockets to see how much greasing has been going on.

Proud South african rip offs.
 
It's not due to the 'back-hander' scenario, but rather due to the multi-lateral considerations of government. There are numerous interests that will be affected by the SNO decision, not just the South African public and Telkrap. It ties into trade and investment across diverse sectors that have nothing to do with telecomms, the way I understand it. This juggling is what is causing the delay, with each aspect having to be addressed through inter-governmental protocols, formal signatories to new and existing agreements, and so on, and now compounded by the litigatious nature of Telkrap. As you'll note by the response when Dr Ivy warehoused the 25% apportionment of the SNO equity in an attempt to get things moving, it's not just a case of taking the bull by the horns and legislating accordingly - it's been said that the fall-out could cause the collapse of Government. Personally, I feel very sorry for Dr Ivy and would not want her job for all the money in the world...
 
so why not go with what the cuasa suggested and hand out multiple operator licences and let em go head to head - no more messing about with partnerships
 
That's one of the problems - Government can't do that without impacting on other trade areas, where non-telco interests are involved.

Here's a hypothetical situation - the German telco is the majority owner of T-Systems. So, the German telco decides to become a player in the local telecomms market, and all of a sudden T-Systems becomes a major player in telco-related ICT provision. This, in turn, p1sses-off Siemens, who has major vested interests in the provision of ICTs to Government, including hospitals and energy (power stations). They complain to their parent, who then complain to the DOH and the DEA. See the problem?

Taking it further, the DTI have concluded a multi-lateral agreement for trade between the EU and ourselves. Siemens AG in Germany gets p1ssed-off at the response by Government, and complain to their Government, who in turn passes it on to their trade representative in the EU. He/she lobbies for some sanctions against us, and bang goes our market for Outspan oranges! The DTI, in turn, gets p1ssed-off and complains to the DOA and the DOC. Poor ol' Dr Ivy!

Moral of the story is that very careful consideration must be given to all things that may derail our governmental objectives and good offices with other countries... A somewhat simplistic and highly theoretical hypothesis, but I think you get the gist of it...
 
For the uninitiated:

DOH - Department of Health
DEA - Department of Energy Affairs (I suppose it should be DMEA - Mineral and Energy Affairs)
DTI - Department of Trade and Industry
DOA - Department of Agriculture
DOC - Department of Communications

Trust this assists...
 
So it comes down to what's going to cost us more in the end - loss of revenues due to crap telekoms or losses due to (other) corporate vested interests - I'd rather go with the latter.
 
Again, it's not as simple as that - revenue is only one of the consequences that need to be considered. It's more to do with societal development and the imperatives of Government - service delivery, jobs, poverty, health, etc., each of which have their own economic components, implications and consequences. We also have our standing in the world community to consider (we surely don't want to be seen as pariahs again, do we?), and so on. Don't draw conclusions made on a hypothesis - such conclusions would not be accurate, obviously.

Like I said before, personally I wouldn't want Dr Ivy's job or any other minister's job, not for all the money in the world. Unfortunately, this usually means that those who think they're intelligent enough to do the job, get the job, instead of it being given to the most competent. I do believe that Dr Ivy is a bit out of her depth here - as PODO said earlier, she was a brilliant provincial premier, but probably became a victim of the Peter Principle...
 
personally I think all that are just excuses so that they can take as long as they want. IT was the international community that wanted us to be more open to trade and in order to do that u need to have multiple players in a market. If anyone complains, so what, its life and free trade is just a part of it. All of these guys operate fine in other countries so why not here?
I think all of this is just a coup(spelling?) out.
 
I still fail to understand why the government should involve itself in foreign corporate rivalries, and societal development, job creation etc should be encouraged through legiislation.
 
I say again - it's not just a simple case of corporate rivalry, even though my analogy/hypothesis may have led you to believe this is the case. It's a question of what the decisions are that Government must make, in the best interests of the country's people and its problems - and this includes issues of multi-national corporates and their effect on our world standing, particularly in relation to other Governments, sectarian interests, access to resources, market supply and demand, and so on.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but an alternative look at the global economic scenario, will highlight the fact that a large portion of the political decisions made are based on corporate interests - all you have to do is look at the situation in Iraq. I try to look beyond the sensationalism and emotive issues stoked by the media in the interests of selling their products, and form an objective opinion as far as possible... even though there are those who might disagree with my standpoint. But then again, this is what makes life an enriching experience... (/aside: now tired of philosophical pontificating - back to work *sigh*)
 
I say we just create our own little company and apply for a part licence in the sno, that way we can actually have some say in how telecommunications play out in the country and stop all the whinning. I believe there are lots of very capable ppl on this list that can add great value to the sno. So what do u guys think ? ;)
 
not even close ;)
but hey ... I'm sure some kind soul out there wouldn't mind sparing
a few billion [:D]
 
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