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SNO may be be Eskom?
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The city councils of Pretoria, JHB, CT, DBN and a few others have spent many millions over the last few years installing massive FO networks in their areas... they all seriously need to increase their incomes and the lucrative communications industry is one way of doing it. I'm not sure they have the ability to do it… but if the DoC and ICASA do their part and keep the VANS out of contention, they just might pull it off.
BPL is actually a completely sepparate issue to the fact that eskom is in the SNO.
BPL is a last mile solution - and it would for that reason run over the "last mile" portion of the power network... which IS City Power in JHB, and is local distibutors in most urban areas.
The different shareholders in the SNO are exactly that share holders and as i understand it they each bring something to the party something like this:
Tata is largely capital and management with a little technical experience.
Transtel is largely providing technical and some infrastructure from their existing networks they run for Transnet.
Eskom is also bringing technical and infrastructure to the party - and lots of infrustucture opportunities... they've got thousands of powerlines and lots of servitudes just waiting for fibre backbones to be strung.
And all the others are just investment partners.
Please note this is not facts - just an educated guess...
And my final 2c - i'd much rather be giving my money to transtel and eskom than telkom.... any day!!!!
BPL is a last mile solution - and it would for that reason run over the "last mile" portion of the power network... which IS City Power in JHB, and is local distibutors in most urban areas.
The different shareholders in the SNO are exactly that share holders and as i understand it they each bring something to the party something like this:
Tata is largely capital and management with a little technical experience.
Transtel is largely providing technical and some infrastructure from their existing networks they run for Transnet.
Eskom is also bringing technical and infrastructure to the party - and lots of infrustucture opportunities... they've got thousands of powerlines and lots of servitudes just waiting for fibre backbones to be strung.
And all the others are just investment partners.
Please note this is not facts - just an educated guess...
And my final 2c - i'd much rather be giving my money to transtel and eskom than telkom.... any day!!!!
One thing to remeber is that Eskom can be just like telkom in their own way. My parents stay 11 kms out of Nelspruit. They have to pay (line rental) of +/- R300 p/m just to have power ( Its a small farming comunity of +/- 50 plots). Then they still have to pay for the power they use +/- R250 p/m. I know Eskom have some shares in the SNO I just hope that they will not try the same thing once they have phone lines avalible by making some people who stays closer to town's line rental x-amount and people who stays a few kilometers away line rental like 400% more than pple in town.
But you have to understand the situation from another perspective. The customer is ultimately paying for all the expenses of a business - money doesn't just fall out the sky to pay for hundereds ok k's of cabling. So if you want everyone to pay the same no matter where they live - the urban people are going to be subsidising the much more expensive rural subscribers... and certainly for me that is not appropriate.Jarrod said:
Please guys, tell me one thing:
Who, when, how, how much, etc. is SNO?
Isn't this all based on rumors and speculations? Apperently, the so called "SNO" will be available in 3 month time. Right...
Anyone seen a website yet? What is their proper name? Are there any trustworthy articles or anything?
I personally have not seen anything yet, not on television, not in the news. How come, no one in this country knows about a SNO exept you guys?
I honestly don't know if I should believe all of this when there is actually no proof. I am saying that there is no SNO, not this year and not next year and not before 2010. Maybe there is a beginning project somewhere, but that's about it.
That's my view of the whole thing. If I'm wrong please correct me and show me something, that will convince me.
Who, when, how, how much, etc. is SNO?
Isn't this all based on rumors and speculations? Apperently, the so called "SNO" will be available in 3 month time. Right...
Anyone seen a website yet? What is their proper name? Are there any trustworthy articles or anything?
I personally have not seen anything yet, not on television, not in the news. How come, no one in this country knows about a SNO exept you guys?
I honestly don't know if I should believe all of this when there is actually no proof. I am saying that there is no SNO, not this year and not next year and not before 2010. Maybe there is a beginning project somewhere, but that's about it.
That's my view of the whole thing. If I'm wrong please correct me and show me something, that will convince me.
ambo said:
I agree with you there but,
They have been staying at the same place for 15 years. I understand the reason for them paying much higher line rental for a few months but surely that small piece of cable +/- 100 meters eskom installed must be paid off like 10 times already. Main line is 100 meters away .Seeing as u get power in town for R86 p/m (line rental).
The point is Eskom are just like Telkom when it comes to money. Six of one half dozen of the other.
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Dude, even the stakeholders in Telkom has a clause like that in the contract. It's no big thing.
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Some facts about Eskom. I work for Eskom, and I am proud to say that. Eskom is everything that Telkom is not. Eskom was already providing rural electrification in the early nineties before the new government came to power. Eskom is one of the lowest cost providers in the world. So we are a parastatal - I am happy that our leadership have their priorities right, which is about responsibility to the broader community and the country and economy in general. The same cannot be said of Telkom.
As for the SNO. Eskom already have a fibre backbone network that was installed some years ago (and they have written this off (I think) since they were unable to recover any of the capital). The SNO will not be targeting domestic customers I guess initially, since their infrastructure is based around providing bulk telecommunications services to Eskom and Transtel, who need these services in places not necessarily close to domestic customers or even cities. They need telecomms to run their networks primarily.
I would guess that the SNO needs to get connectivity to the Telkom exchanges, and then hop on to the last mile local loop to get to domestic customers, which will require a new phase of investment.
The fact that Eskom does not consider telecomms core business and wish to pull out of the SNO I think would be sad, since I truly believe that with the leadership we have, the SNO would be able to turn a good profit whilst still providing competitive low-cost services to customers. Without Eskom, who knows what the SNO will do.
I don't think the SNO will be our saviour. Unfortunately, all of the smaller operations seem to use Telkom as a benchmark and price accordingly, so who knows what will happen.
My 2c.
Some facts about Eskom. I work for Eskom, and I am proud to say that. Eskom is everything that Telkom is not. Eskom was already providing rural electrification in the early nineties before the new government came to power. Eskom is one of the lowest cost providers in the world. So we are a parastatal - I am happy that our leadership have their priorities right, which is about responsibility to the broader community and the country and economy in general. The same cannot be said of Telkom.
As for the SNO. Eskom already have a fibre backbone network that was installed some years ago (and they have written this off (I think) since they were unable to recover any of the capital). The SNO will not be targeting domestic customers I guess initially, since their infrastructure is based around providing bulk telecommunications services to Eskom and Transtel, who need these services in places not necessarily close to domestic customers or even cities. They need telecomms to run their networks primarily.
I would guess that the SNO needs to get connectivity to the Telkom exchanges, and then hop on to the last mile local loop to get to domestic customers, which will require a new phase of investment.
The fact that Eskom does not consider telecomms core business and wish to pull out of the SNO I think would be sad, since I truly believe that with the leadership we have, the SNO would be able to turn a good profit whilst still providing competitive low-cost services to customers. Without Eskom, who knows what the SNO will do.
I don't think the SNO will be our saviour. Unfortunately, all of the smaller operations seem to use Telkom as a benchmark and price accordingly, so who knows what will happen.
My 2c.