So the SARB is privately owned

Paul Hjul

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yes, and yes and yes

the SARB is privately owned
BUT it is a public entity that must be transparent as to its dealings and act in accordance with the law that affords it personality

which is the way it should be.

The BoE is not privately owned, as it was nationalized. The US Fed is not a proper public entity because it lacks transparency in dealings, is permitted to violate public process law (which differentiates it from private universities in the US).

When somebody wants to tell you that the government must handle a specific sector of the economy because .... ALWAYS remember that the reserve bank, stock exchange etc ... all function as privately owned public entities. Adam Smith was absolutely correct in saying that there ... What people don't appear to understand is that Adam Smith advocated establishing the public institutions - the charter schools, the structure of a reserve bank

Every system which endeavours, either, by extraordinary encouragements, to draw towards a particular species of industry a greater share of the capital of the society than what would naturally go to it; or, by extraordinary restraints, to force from a particular species of industry some share of the capital which would otherwise be employed in it; is in reality subversive of the great purpose which it means to promote. It retards, instead of accelerating, the progress of the society towards real wealth and greatness; and diminishes, instead of increasing, the real value of the annual produce of its land and labour.
All systems either of preference or of restraint, therefore, being thus completely taken away, the obvious and simple system of natural liberty establishes itself of its own accord. Every man, as long as he does not violate the laws of justice, is left perfectly free to pursue his own interest his own way, and to bring both his industry and capital into competition with those of any other man, or order of men. The sovereign is completely discharged from a duty, in the attempting to perform which he must always be exposed to innumerable delusions, and for the proper performance of which no human wisdom or knowledge could ever be sufficient; the duty of superintending the industry of private people, and of directing it towards the employments most suitable to the interest of the society. According to the system of natural liberty, the sovereign has only three duties to attend to; three duties of great importance, indeed, but plain and intelligible to common understandings: first, the duty of protecting the society from the violence and invasion of other independent societies; secondly, the duty of protecting, as far as possible, every member of the society from the injustice or oppression of every other member of it, or the duty of establishing an exact administration of justice; and, thirdly, the duty of erecting and maintaining certain public works and certain public institutions, which it can never be for the interest of any individual, or small number of individuals, to erect and maintain; because the profit could never repay the expence to any individual, or small number of individuals, though it may frequently do much more than repay it to a great society.
The proper performance of those several duties of the sovereign necessarily supposes a certain expence; and this expence again necessarily requires a certain revenue to support it.
Note the term "small number of individuals" - a great many individuals acting in a great system, greatly and justly administered and freed from fear needs no greater maintenance than that afforded by law in the proper structuring of its affairs. The problem is that nationalization fundamentally has upended the entire process and so the government feels the need to own public universities rather than merely cause the establishment and furnish the maintenance. Government established the Reserve Bank and maintains it through a benevolent constitutional relationship (well in theory and ideal at least, the current administration would quite happily abuse the reserve bank, and there is noise to nationalize the bank)
 

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Interesting read, but I'm not clear on a few pointers. Is he actually claiming privatization and its benefits are subversive to the greater good? His idea of nationalization makes me just as nervous.
 

Paul Hjul

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Interesting read, but I'm not clear on a few pointers. Is he actually claiming privatization and its benefits are subversive to the greater good? His idea of nationalization makes me just as nervous.

whose ideas of nationalization?
the quote I gave was from Adam Smith who was firmly against nationalization, during the late 30s and early 40s there were some who used the quote to justify nationalizing certain assets such as banks - but if you've read Wealth of the Nations you will know that that certainly is not a course of action Smith would have approved of.

The point I am making is that even that section of public good that Smith locates in the realm of government needs a proper understanding of what it means to be public. Most universities are public institutions as are public schools - this doesn't mean that there isn't a fee charged or that there isn't autonomy or, or, or ...

Handing over responsibility to provide roads to a small handful of individuals seeking to make a profit off those roads is the height of irresponsibility and a private monopoly is always evil. However that is exactly what this country has done with SANRAL and the SABC - they stopped being public entities set up by the government through an Act of Parliament and possessing the necessary legal personality and character to function as an incorporated public body. The Reserve Bank is accountable to the public while still having private ownership, owners of shares choose to subscribe to this public corporate structure. SANRAL on the other hand is able to pillage the public to serve a few individual private bond holders.

(I've been thinking of putting together a list of Adam Smith and Karl Marx quotes applicable to SANRAL)
 
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(I've been thinking of putting together a list of Adam Smith and Karl Marx quotes applicable to SANRAL)

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