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Kasyx, its still the same kernel developed by the same people. Ubuntu has thrown X out. Its a pretty fundamental piece of linux to replace. Its frikken important. People patch the kernel all the time, okay not often with as much fanfare as this, but it happens. But how often do they replace X? Has it happened since you've been involved in Linux? No, it hasnt, thats why its exciting.
Its not just the fact that this will affect Linux as a graphical operating system, theres more to it than that.
Its not just the fact that this will affect Linux as a graphical operating system, theres more to it than that.
If you have so much hatred towards Linux, what are you doing in the Linux section?
Ancalagon, if we want to bury ourselves in semantics, the kernel is Linux; everything else is GNU. But yes, I see what you are saying. X has, for all intents and purposes, been *the* graphical system for about as long as I can remember. To be honest, I haven't paid much attention to what's going on with Canonical because I don't use Ubuntu, and when it comes to Desktop Environments, I use RatPoison or Awesomewm on top of GNOME, so I guess personally the move to Unity, not to mention the shift to Wayland, does not affect me in any way. That is not to say that I would not be interested to see in what direction Canonical take Ubuntu with Unity on Wayland, but I guess I just find the meat of the OS more interesting than the garnishing. Really what I am trying to say is that there's a lot more going on in the Linux world than just changing how it looks.
koffiejunkie
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The day Linux drops the GPL will be the day I get excited by the kernel. Blu-Ray decryption would make me happy too.
For now I'm more interested in what happens in the world of Postfix, MySQL and other LAMP related goodies.
For now I'm more interested in what happens in the world of Postfix, MySQL and other LAMP related goodies.
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Trolling obviously... It's not a hatred of linux, it's just a balanced perspective on the all new gnome coming out every few months that still looks shocking.
Yeah, I know about the whole GNU/Linux thing, Richard Stallman is still p1ssed about that.
Pardon my ignorance, but surely regardless of whatever window manager you choose to run, you need to run it on an X Server? Or dont you?
When the scheduler change was announced, I read up on some of the previous changes, and about Con Kolivas, who is an Australian programmer who tried for years to get his kernel patches in, but they were always rejected. Eventually someone else re-implemented his work and it was accepted! Its not quite as straightforward as that, but the saga is an interesting read. Personally I think fault exists on both sides - Kolivas wasnt too interested in compromise or who would maintain it, and the kernel maintainers just didnt like Kolivas so wouldnt accept any of his ideas, but as soon as someone else proposed the same ideas they were accepted.
I really dont think that games will ever really see the light of day on Linux, except for indie games, because of DRM. Can you imagine EA going to Torvalds and saying, "We need you to put this proprietary binary only rootkit in your kernel so that we can monitor what people do with our software and prevent the big bag evil pirates from copying them."? Me neither.
Pardon my ignorance, but surely regardless of whatever window manager you choose to run, you need to run it on an X Server? Or dont you?
When the scheduler change was announced, I read up on some of the previous changes, and about Con Kolivas, who is an Australian programmer who tried for years to get his kernel patches in, but they were always rejected. Eventually someone else re-implemented his work and it was accepted! Its not quite as straightforward as that, but the saga is an interesting read. Personally I think fault exists on both sides - Kolivas wasnt too interested in compromise or who would maintain it, and the kernel maintainers just didnt like Kolivas so wouldnt accept any of his ideas, but as soon as someone else proposed the same ideas they were accepted.
I really dont think that games will ever really see the light of day on Linux, except for indie games, because of DRM. Can you imagine EA going to Torvalds and saying, "We need you to put this proprietary binary only rootkit in your kernel so that we can monitor what people do with our software and prevent the big bag evil pirates from copying them."? Me neither.
And GNOME, of course, is the only Desktop Environment available.
See, that's why we *like* Linux; you're not forced into anything. Don't like GNOME? Cool; use KDE. But wait, you like the GNOME applications but don't like the look of it? Run the GNOME DE with a different Window Manager, like Compiz Fusion, or Enlightenment.
You cannot make the fallacious statement that Linux "looks rubbish" based solely on the look of GNOME.
I get that.
But not all game companies use such anal DRM policies as EA. http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/27/blizzard-drm-is-a-waste-of-everyones-time/ But for some reason not even Blizzard will make games that run natively on linux.
The only way mainstream gaming under Linux could ever really take off is under something like Steam. It is the only way game publishers will be assured of purchases and legal copies without having to add anything to the kernel.
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I've tried all of those. They all look rubbish. The "lite" WM's look a bit better mainly because there's hardly anything there.
Unfortunately my experience was more like: Don't like GNOME? Cool; Use KDE; Oh crap it also sucks; Use x; Crap; Use y; Crap; etc
Considering opinions on aesthetics are completely subjective, this debate has pretty much reached a stalemate. I can't really denounce the fact that you think Linux looks like crap because it lacks the oh-so-familiar Start bar. But is that really an excuse to knock the functionality of Linux as well by implying that Linux steals ideas from Microsoft?
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Well generally the hardware manufacturers are all out to make a profit, and work with the software manufacturers out to make a profit so things like virtualization extensions etc are agreed on etc by big companies etc and brought to market. Linux in that respect is kinda going with the flow.
I have to agree 100% here, the kernel is Linux and what happens there is going to be the "next big thing".
Eye candy gets copied by Windows and Mac and Unity and Wayland is not such a big deal, it is good but not ground breaking.
What sets the whole issue apart for me is features, when something new get implemented in the kernel and you think by yourself "how on earth did I ever manage without this", that is when you know it is the next big thing.
Why should they drop the GPL?
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The anal-retentive nature of the GPL's attitude towards "less free" licenses (such as CDDL) is what keeps some useful technologies like ZFS away from Linux. There are of course, other issues too, but the GPL's insistence that GPL code used in derived projects must also be GPL limits the usefulness of the code under it. I much prefer the BSD style licenses - they really give you freedom.
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The thing is I also think the default setting of Gnome is ugly, but its so flexible, I mean you look at the theme in the link (http://gnome-look.org/content/previ...31&file1=127731-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=ffuu) - you would never say that it Gnome under that skin. This is the reason I like Gnome, because you just don't have the same freedom with other de's.
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I think with enough tweaking you can make the UI look like Windows, start bar and all. Indeed it has been done, a quick search on Google Images produces numerous results.
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Yeah... I just wish I knew *why*.
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Heh, my head will explode if I try to answer that, I tend in the opposite direction when it comes to tweaking my UI.
If that guy really wants a Windows-like start bar, he can, is really all I was trying to say.
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