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I am in negotiations with a company on the costs of development of software (Programming)

Other than wanting to know what a programmer will cost per hour doing programming work in VBasic or Delphi or equivalent development platform is there any other costs i need to look at ?

Please state rate per hour ?

VB per Hour ? R
Delphi Per Hour ?R
Flash Per hour ?R
ASP / PHP per hour ?R

Any comments would be appreciated
Thnx
CH
 
Flash and ASP should be about R500 per hour
Delphi and VB are older skills and may be more expensive +- R650 per hour
C# about R550 - R650 per hour
 
Who is doing the testing - testing rates can be quite hectic.
Project management skills per hour are hefty (meetings and planning)
Who is doing the documentation?
Who is doing the support once the project is running live?
Who is configuring the servers where the software will be running?
Who is installing the software?
Who is training the users to use the software effectively?
 
Thnx so far !

On Omnia_Fan !!

thnx can anyone (3 more members) confirm these prices as this might lead to a fist fight ?

On DaveMC

the software developed is no liable to any of those things but thnx for bringing that to my attention

Thnx for the info so far !
 
Watch for anything longer term. If they want you to maintain the code or something then tread carefully & price accordingly.
 
Business analysis?
Design (Look and feel, use cases, architecture, etc)?
User acceptance testing? -developer(s) on standby while the client tests

Pricing is about right, but is heavily dependant on the skill level of the developer/developers? Usually a team would comprise of multiple skill levels; and therefore pricing per dev would vary?
 
Omnia_Fan said:
Flash and ASP should be about R500 per hour
Delphi and VB are older skills and may be more expensive +- R650 per hour
C# about R550 - R650 per hour
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I think those prices are retarded. You can find for 350 - 450 an hour. Depends on the size of the company doing the dev work, and how cocky they are with their pricing. That's definately on the upper end of the scale.

My opinion anyway.

EDIT: At R650 an hour, working an 8 hr day for 20 days in a month (how many developers work 8 hrs a day), that's R104, 000. Just putting that into perspective.
 
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shogun said:
I think those prices are retarded. You can find for 350 - 450 an hour. Depends on the size of the company doing the dev work, and how cocky they are with their pricing. That's definately on the upper end of the scale.

My opinion anyway.

EDIT: At R650 an hour, working an 8 hr day for 20 days in a month (how many developers work 8 hrs a day), that's R104, 000. Just putting that into perspective.
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I totally agree with this. I'm fairly experienced (almost 6 years of ASP.NET / C# / JavaScript / T-SQL) and I seldom charge more than R350 per hour for freelance projects.
 
FarligOpptreden said:
I totally agree with this. I'm fairly experienced (almost 6 years of ASP.NET / C# / JavaScript / T-SQL) and I seldom charge more than R350 per hour for freelance projects.
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Freelance projects are priced differently because of the apparent increased risk.

When a development company quotes on a project, they will naturally be more expensive because of higher overhead costs, like having another developer in place and ready to take over when the current one goes on leave or ends up unable to work because of health reasons. Also, the development company is supposed to have personal liability insurance so that you can sue the pants off of them.
 
davemc said:
Freelance projects are priced differently because of the apparent increased risk.

When a development company quotes on a project, they will naturally be more expensive because of higher overhead costs, like having another developer in place and ready to take over when the current one goes on leave or ends up unable to work because of health reasons. Also, the development company is supposed to have personal liability insurance so that you can sue the pants off of them.
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But maybe this IS a freelance type of project... There hasn't been any mention whether this is a company contracting out or an individual doing this on an after-hours basis.
 
I can only comment in terms of Delphi rates.

I am a delphi developer of 18 years now and the going rate is no more than R350 ph with the mean avg around R250 ph. You would pay around R350 for a very experienced developer and down to around R150 ph for a Junior.
 
HotspotAgent said:
I can only comment in terms of Delphi rates.

I am a delphi developer of 18 years now and the going rate is no more than R350 ph with the mean avg around R250 ph. You would pay around R350 for a very experienced developer and down to around R150 ph for a Junior.
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Damn, that is low... I charge R150 an hour for doing tech support...
 
HotspotAgent said:
I can only comment in terms of Delphi rates.

I am a delphi developer of 18 years now and the going rate is no more than R350 ph with the mean avg around R250 ph. You would pay around R350 for a very experienced developer and down to around R150 ph for a Junior.
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you sir are shafting yourself.
 
davemc said:
Freelance projects are priced differently because of the apparent increased risk.

When a development company quotes on a project, they will naturally be more expensive because of higher overhead costs, like having another developer in place and ready to take over when the current one goes on leave or ends up unable to work because of health reasons. Also, the development company is supposed to have personal liability insurance so that you can sue the pants off of them.
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More developers in place means more to spread the load across, and probably more work to begin with = more flexibility = bigger cushion = reduced rates, not higher rates.
You can't tell me that insurance pushes the cost of a dev + profit to R104 000 pm.
 
I saw what a company charged for their Sharepoint "expert". R500 p/h. And that was about 2 years ago.
 
FarligOpptreden said:
But maybe this IS a freelance type of project... There hasn't been any mention whether this is a company contracting out or an individual doing this on an after-hours basis.
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first line of OP: I am in negotiations with a company on the costs of development of software (Programming)
 
shogun said:
More developers in place means more to spread the load across, and probably more work to begin with = more flexibility = bigger cushion = reduced rates, not higher rates.
You can't tell me that insurance pushes the cost of a dev + profit to R104 000 pm.
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More developers = more salary to pay = more to manage = more costs.
Unless you can actually spread the individual bits of work to the perfect skill-level for that piece of work, e.g. A junior programmer actually doing junior programming tasks and being paid accordingly, that will lower the costs if there is a lot of junior programmer work to be done.
 
People who charge more, generally, provide more.

A junior developer doesn't have the experience to forsee problems that a senior developer would.

A senior developer would also be a lot faster at troubleshooting, should it be required.

Experience counts!
 
FlatspinZA said:
People who charge more, generally, provide more.

A junior developer doesn't have the experience to forsee problems that a senior developer would.

A senior developer would also be a lot faster at troubleshooting, should it be required.

Experience counts!
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recently, indirectly had experience with a company that charged more and in the end didn't deliver. price and "senior" isn't always automatically quality programming.

true as you say 'Experience counts', but beware of those who fly falsely under those banners and tries to charge a lot.
 
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