Software Development Partners Needed

[MogenNaidoo]

Qina Group (Pty) Ltd. is looking for senior developers in the Microsoft Visual Studio environment for the development of a web portal and App. This is an innovative product that is expected to be hugely successful within the African market. We looking for developers who can offer their spare time (on weekends) for a possible 6 month development project. In return, we can offer company shares (or if our funding we applied for comes through we can provide contracting payment). All development tools and licencing will be made available. The reason we are going Microsoft is because we have an arsenal of licenced products we can use to get the job done. Including support for various services. Please get in contact for more details on this opportunity. An NDA will be signed before full details can be shared.

 

[Necropolis]

Are you developing plugins for Visual Studio?

 

[MogenNaidoo]

Are you developing plugins for Visual Studio?

Hi Necro...no it's a solution for the mobile devices and web.

 

[Necropolis]

Hi Necro...no it's a solution for the mobile devices and web.

Then why ask for Visual Studio developers?

Visual studio is not a programming language - it's an IDE.

 

[MogenNaidoo]

Then why ask for Visual Studio developers?

Visual studio is not a programming language - it's an IDE.

Ok. Need to rephrase that then. Meant development tools within VS? .NET framework? Is this correct?

 

[Necropolis]

Ok. Need to rephrase that then. Meant development tools within VS? .NET framework? Is this correct?

Sort of.

The fact that you don't know exactly what you are looking for is worrying though....

 

[MogenNaidoo]

Sort of.

The fact that you don't know exactly what you are looking for is worrying though....

From a business and market perspective I do. Development perspective is in the technical details of developing the solution which will be discussed with possible partners in detail. So my post would then be to ascertain who has familiarity with Visual Studio for development as this is the development environment we have licence to.

 

[retromodcoza]

From a business and market perspective I do. Development perspective is in the technical details of developing the solution which will be discussed with possible partners in detail. So my post would then be to ascertain who has familiarity with Visual Studio for development as this is the development environment we have licence to.

If you go down the road of "We have a license for visual studio , therefore we should use .NET" you are going to have a bad time.

Consider it from this angle : "We need a product to do X , Y and Z"

What kind of language and technologies would be best suited to this type of project?
What kind of development methodology should we use?
What should our architecture and design patterns look like?

You need to ask these questions to someone skilled in the development of spec projects.

Ever read about the Joel Test? If some of the items on the list look unfamiliar to you , you have some reading to do (especially as a product owner or manager).
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html

You seem like you're looking to just "jump in". I understand the need for urgency , but you need to talk to several people who know software development environments before you do any sort of development. Its difficult , expensive (even if no money exchanges hands) , and complex to get right , even for the simplest of apps.

There is quite a bit of knowledge you need to obtain as a business person before bringing developers on board. Do not get the idea that you can "leave it to the techies". You can't.

 

[skimread]

It's probably not the smartest thing for a Pty Ltd company trying to look reputable and posting on internet forums begging developers to work for free for 6-12 months at the same time

 

[MogenNaidoo]

If you go down the road of "We have a license for visual studio , therefore we should use .NET" you are going to have a bad time.

Consider it from this angle : "We need a product to do X , Y and Z"

What kind of language and technologies would be best suited to this type of project?
What kind of development methodology should we use?
What should our architecture and design patterns look like?

You need to ask these questions to someone skilled in the development of spec projects.

Ever read about the Joel Test? If some of the items on the list look unfamiliar to you , you have some reading to do (especially as a product owner or manager).
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html

You seem like you're looking to just "jump in". I understand the need for urgency , but you need to talk to several people who know software development environments before you do any sort of development. Its difficult , expensive (even if no money exchanges hands) , and complex to get right , even for the simplest of apps.

There is quite a bit of knowledge you need to obtain as a business person before bringing developers on board. Do not get the idea that you can "leave it to the techies". You can't.

Yep, I get your point. Thanks for this. The issue is that I cannot disclose much and possibly looking at getting developers onboard for exactly that, discussions. And then development. But good feedback, thanks.

 

[biometrics]

Nobody is going to work for free, especially with no details.

 

[MogenNaidoo]

It's probably not the smartest thing for a Pty Ltd company trying to look reputable and posting on internet forums begging developers to work for free for 6-12 months at the same time

Ok I don't see where I've been "begging"? In addition, by "free time" was purely meant as in extra time on their hands that they can invest. Company shares are on offer. And if our applied funding comes through there will be payment.
Is that not coming across correctly?

 

[MogenNaidoo]

Nobody is going to work for free, especially with no details.

That's why I require people to contact me. Sign an NDA and the full details will be shared. I think I need to edit my original request.

 

[biometrics]

That's why I require people to contact me. Sign an NDA and the full details will be shared. I think I need to edit my original request.

I'm afraid shares are not a great incentive.

 

[Rocket-Boy]

Im going to ask the questions that developers who will ignore this have already answered in their heads.

What happens to the IP of developed work when the project fails? who does it belong to?
What kind of R&D, speccing and general background work has been put in so far?
What is the projected return on time invested?
What kind of pedigree does the company have? - Judging by a quick search your domain is quinagroupsa.com which was registered a few days ago.

Those are the simple ones, that are many more. I would be seriously rich if I had R1 for everyone looking for developers for "a killer app" that they had thought of but needed someone to write for them.

There has been some valuable information given to you in this thread so far, dont get offended by it, it's a reality check.

 

[biometrics]

In addition, by "free time" was purely meant as in extra time on their hands that they can invest.

Not to piss on your battery, but after working all day, most of us want to relax and not work for free after hours.

 

[MogenNaidoo]

Im going to ask the questions that developers who will ignore this have already answered in their heads.

What happens to the IP of developed work when the project fails? who does it belong to?
What kind of R&D, speccing and general background work has been put in so far?
What is the projected return on time invested?
What kind of pedigree does the company have? - Judging by a quick search your domain is quinagroupsa.com which was registered a few days ago.

Those are the simple ones, that are many more. I would be seriously rich if I had R1 for everyone looking for developers for "a killer app" that they had thought of but needed someone to write for them.

There has been some valuable information given to you in this thread so far, dont get offended by it, it's a reality check.

These are all documented in the BRS and proposal. And this is why I would like to chat to the developers first before dishing out confidential information. Asking people to get in touch for more details.
Just check again regarding the domain we've been in existence since 2014 qinagroupsa.com (don't add the U). We actually a services company that see a potential product we can bring to the market. But that's besides the point. Im not offended and I've mentioned my gratitude to constructive feedback. And I'm taking this information usefully.

 

[MogenNaidoo]

Not to piss on your battery, but after working all day, most of us want to relax and not work for free after hours.

No stress. I should be clear in what I'm asking.

 

[stricken]

Just keep in mind that 90% of dev projects have cost and/or time overruns because it is really really difficult to produce a solid spec with well defined scope and then to manage that project all the way to the end, with devs coming and going, etc. You will need at least one fully paid dev (team lead) that is contractually obligated to stay the course, enforce code structure and quality, and be able to get a new dev up to speed with an old devs work.

Code can very easily become a multi style, super abstracted, inherited mess if not reviewed and managed almost line by line. And then we haven't even touched on unit testing, which is a carefully considered trade off between resources and time.

Good luck!