Solar Advice's basic off-grid solar power system prices compared

It’s about 7k more to add 4.8kwh battery now and no maintenance or perpetual cost to keep it running.

Also no noise.

And it’s not about one sunless day. It’s about every day.

I only need one more battery to make it through a very bad day, and then I’m sorted for the next ten years.

What about multiple days of bad weather and the grid is down (stolen cables, substation blew up, etc)? That extra battery is only going to buy you one more day and buying a week's worth of batteries doesn't make financial sense.

When I put solar in I'll still keep the generator for backup.
 
There it is in the bill, the network charge. This charge is undergoing hyperinflation. Do not grid tie your system, go off-grid and keep your system disconnected from Eskom. This is what is best.
 
Please point to it.
Look in his bill for "service charge" and "network charge". I see the service charge is also a new tax. These 2 new charges are there to make up for Eskom`s losses to private solar systems. Best is to not register your system, and do not connect your system to Eskom. Best is to become as self-reliant as possible.
 
Look in his bill for "service charge" and "network charge". I see the service charge is also a new tax. These 2 new charges are there to make up for Eskom`s losses to private solar systems. Best is to not register your system, and do not connect your system to Eskom. Best is to become as self-reliant as possible.
That is post paid, look at prepaid. There are 2 bills there.
 
Oh right I’m with you now.

Don’t think anyone actually installs like that surely?

Everyone is either hybrid or off-grid entirely?

Think in an SA context people use grid-tied universally to mean hybrid.
Unless you’re off-grid all installations are by definition grid tied.

What everyone seems to be mixing up is that the grid-tied doesn’t refer to the backup battery in any way but rather if you system is literally tied to the grid in any way. Even overseas some people install hybrid inverters. Not so much for load shedding as they don’t get it but rather for peak shaving, i.e. to use the battery charge during the day when electricity is most expensive.
 
Unless you’re off-grid all installations are by definition grid tied.

What everyone seems to be mixing up is that the grid-tied doesn’t refer to the backup battery in any way but rather if you system is literally tied to the grid in any way. Even overseas some people install hybrid inverters. Not so much for load shedding as they don’t get it but rather for peak shaving, i.e. to use the battery charge during the day when electricity is most expensive.
In solar systems grid-tied specifically refers to the requirement of having an active grid connection. The inverter uses this connection to sync voltage and frequency. In the absence of grid everything turns off.
 
The young man's comprehension isn't so sharp this morning
Yes I just woke up after a long week. Its looking like JHB does not have all socialist taxes in place yet like in the Cape, it will soon have these taxes corrected.
 
Yes I just woke up after a long week. Its looking like JHB does not have all socialist taxes in place yet like in the Cape, it will soon have these taxes corrected.
Are you a political prophet now too? Perhaps better to swallow the humble-pie for breakfast and leave it at that.
 
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Are you a political prophet now too? Perhaps better to swallow the humble-pie for breakfast and leave it at that.
I stand by what I said, off-grid is the better option, do not grid tie your system, you will be paying for Eskom failure just like in the Cape. Nersa is not protecting you.
 
In solar systems grid-tied specifically refers to the requirement of having an active grid connection. The inverter uses this connection to sync voltage and frequency. In the absence of grid everything turns off.
You’re referring to solar panels with solar-inverters. What’s the issue with these systems? They are completely justifiable even with load shedding. They save you money when the sun is shining.

If they don’t include a battery a battery-inverter (which you will find in a hybrid inverter) you will not have power during load shedding but your overall electricity bill will be lower than without them.

The definition of grid-tight is a little broader than in your example. As far I I’ve seen from battery inverter data sheets grid tied means they are physically connected to the grid and the battery inverter has an off-grid mode which can a) be used in conjunction with the on-grid capability (e.g. for backup during load shedding) or b) only off grid of you don’t have access to a grid.
 
socialist taxes in place yet like in the Cape
But but but I was led to believe the Cape was the promised land for all South Africans* where electricity is plentiful and the jobs are well paid. Now you’re telling us it’s all socialism over there. Beware fellow South Africans! :ROFL:

*Terms and conditions apply
 
You’re referring to solar panels with solar-inverters. What’s the issue with these systems? They are completely justifiable even with load shedding. They save you money when the sun is shining.

If they don’t include a battery a battery-inverter (which you will find in a hybrid inverter) you will not have power during load shedding but your overall electricity bill will be lower than without them.

The definition of grid-tight is a little broader than in your example. As far I I’ve seen from battery inverter data sheets grid tied means they are physically connected to the grid and the battery inverter has an off-grid mode which can a) be used in conjunction with the on-grid capability (e.g. for backup during load shedding) or b) only off grid of you don’t have access to a grid.
I never said there was an issue, just clarifying what the terminology means. In SA, with the current LS outlook, grid-tied isn't exactly ideal.
 
But but but I was led to believe the Cape was the promised land for all South Africans* where electricity is plentiful and the jobs are well paid. Now you’re telling us it’s all socialism over there. Beware fellow South Africans! :ROFL:

*Terms and conditions apply
The DA is socialist and I think COCT is the socialist masters. COCT charges a R6k registration fee and charge the network charge for all non-indigent houses, pre and post paid, solar and non-solar. COCT is now even forcing off-grid systems to be registered and not having a grid connection is banned. It is like you said CPT is has a much more "effective socialist system". So this is very much a case of different taxes for different municipalities, but I think others will copy COCT.
 
I see i was beaten to the question.

Where can one get this R1/kWh.
Not now. The point is that if enough of their customers shift to solar they'll load the connection fee and reduce the per unit cost accordingly. It makes sense to do so. They also know how much electricity people are using, so they can easily scale the connection fee or they can simply charge a much higher fee if you install solar power. They can both maintain the revenue they need to support the system and achieve the goal of making electricity cheaper for those who have less money. I wouldn't be surprised if they also charge an astronomical fee to be disconnected if you want to go completely off the grid.
 
Not now. The point is that if enough of their customers shift to solar they'll load the connection fee and reduce the per unit cost accordingly. It makes sense to do so. They also know how much electricity people are using, so they can easily scale the connection fee or they can simply charge a much higher fee if you install solar power. They can both maintain the revenue they need to support the system and achieve the goal of making electricity cheaper for those who have less money. I wouldn't be surprised if they also charge an astronomical fee to be disconnected if you want to go completely off the grid.
SA municipal and government finance doesn't work that way. Charges get added to existing charges. No one ever decreases one charge when increasing/adding another.
 
How much it costs to get solar power and say goodbye to Eskom

Going off-grid to escape the clutches of load-shedding is relatively expensive, with prices ranging from R172,420 to over R500,000.

The cost depends on household electricity usage and how many days the system must last without sunshine to recharge its batteries.
The whole issue is completely off grid or saving money and having no inconvenience when there is outage if the former that is lot of cash !!unless you are staying there for along time if the latter is it worth it? I have a gas stove a gas/electric fridge and freezer and a gas geyser and am sure that cost was was about R30 k which was done over time I also have power bank for my cellphone. The major inconvenience for me is when it is a long outage and the cell tower goes down Sorry MTN I cant pay for you to go solar
 
Yes I just woke up after a long week. Its looking like JHB does not have all socialist taxes in place yet like in the Cape, it will soon have these taxes corrected.
That charge is only for Independent Republics, come to Joburg, you are going to love it here, I give you six months and you'll be bouncing down the streets, spreading positivity to everyone, you won't even remember how being miserable feels like.
 
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