Solution to crime problems

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People are complaining that other people are being to negative and not doing anything to solve the problem (although in proper countries it's governments NOT ordinary citizens solving the problems)

Anyway let's talk about some solutions

Farms

- Have the military patrol the farms 24/7
- Subsidise electric fences and barbed wire for farmers as they need to cover a large space and some won't be able to afford the expense

N2 Stonings:

- Again the military should patrol the N2, it was a very effective solution in the past.

General Crime:

- Police pay should be way better
- Little to no AA as being a forensic scientist or detective is a deadly serious job that can't so many unskilled people on board
- Make harsher penalties for common crimes (such as housebreaking etc)
- Make sure police have the correct equipment when attending crimes
- Use helicopters whenever possible when chasing a suspect
 
Dominic Rooney : I can happily get behind a constructive solution

Farms :

The problem is the lacations. They are very remote. They span a massive area geographically and are far away from police stations, etc. So there is two problems

1) Patrols cannot really help. It is too easy to avoid detection due to the massive surroundings
2) Response time. Police cannot get there in time to be of much help. Panic buttons also do not work as well due to no land line and dinstace being to great for radio frequency

I have thought about this a bit in the last couple of days and was thinking of providing a solution.

It is based on a similar service. You send off a panic call/sms on your cellphone and it notifies family members where you are. The problem with this is that it only really works in cities. This is due to large amounts of cellphone towers which allow triangulation, and therefore can give your specific address to your loved ones. Most farms do have reception, but from only one tower.

So what I propose is a solution where the farmer registers (for a yearly fee), asks his neighbours if they will come to his rescue in an emergency (which they will) and then submits his details and his 4 neighbours details. In case of an emergency, they will be notified and can go to his rescue.

What is good about this plan :
1) Farmers are well armed and are willing to help other farmers
2) They are the closest people by far to the victim. They can get there in a couple of minutes
3) This can be adapted to proved dedicated equipment that works with cellphone tech e.g panic buttons in house, car, etc
4) Rollout is almost guaranteed. Farmers want a solution. Many organisations that will help (FF+, AGRI-SA, etc)
5) Costs are low. Both to provider of service and the farmers

What is bad :
1) Not that much money to be made

It is for the last reason I have doubts as to this idea...
 
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One of the Commandos roles was farm patrols/protection but our esteemed government saw fit to do away with them at a time when farm murders and attacks were spiralling. Makes sense doesnt it?

Of course scaring farmers off their land when you are trying to give landless PDIs a piece is quite usefull dont you think?
 
Dominic Rooney said:
People are complaining that other people are being to negative and not doing anything to solve the problem (although in proper countries it's governments NOT ordinary citizens solving the problems)

Anyway let's talk about some solutions

Farms

- Have the military patrol the farms 24/7
- Subsidise electric fences and barbed wire for farmers as they need to cover a large space and some won't be able to afford the expense

N2 Stonings:

- Again the military should patrol the N2, it was a very effective solution in the past.

General Crime:

- Police pay should be way better
- Little to no AA as being a forensic scientist or detective is a deadly serious job that can't so many unskilled people on board
- Make harsher penalties for common crimes (such as housebreaking etc)
- Make sure police have the correct equipment when attending crimes
- Use helicopters whenever possible when chasing a suspect
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Im not sure I agree with having the millitary preforming policing duties, although maybe the situation is bad enough to warrent a state of emergency who knows. Id be damn concerned if they still had policing powers at the time of th e next elections though.

Anyway the relative merits of your ideas aside, what is the point of making these suggestion on myadsl. Do you think the powers that be will be reading these forums and think youre ideas have merit and implement them?
Have you put your ideas in and email and sent them to the relevant parties ? Hows about getting some signatures attached and sending them to to the minister of justice?

With out sending your suggestions along the proper democratic chanels, Im afraid that they become nothing more than whinging for the sake of it.
 
IMHO the military make terrible police officers (seen it first hand).
I think a better supervised commando could definitely help for a start.
Just reading a book about how NY city halved it's crime in about ten years and it looks like the tiny things like graffiti, jay-walking and public urination have to be tackled very strictly and the other crimes start dropping with it. They called it the 'broken window policy' and started policing the subways incredibly strictly.
I think that would be the way to go but you need more policemen and harder working policemen.
It really is a very old idea and probably has been considered. I don't know, cut off their goolies is what I say!
 
I think D.R. suggested military because at the moment they are being under utilised and the police service is at breaking point.
 
Gunny said:
I think D.R. suggested military because at the moment they are being under utilised and the police service is at breaking point.
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The military is trained to fight wars and kill the enemy. When they are under utelised it is usually a good thing.

For the army to be able to police the civilian populace, they would need to be retrained to fill that role.

A policeman is trained to understand concepts such as due process, the difference between a suspect and a criminal and most importantly restraint.

A soldiers role is simpler. You tell them who their enemy is and to be sure that they kill the enemy. To unleash that sort of mentality on the general population is a recipe for dissaster.

Afiak the members of the commando system were trained more in line with internal security and would have been better suited to policing than the standing defence force.
 
Well, all of this isn't really constructive. I think the purpose of the thread is to come up with ideas that, we the people, can implement. Commandos are a government thing. Unless you are talking about petitions to get the commando system reimplemented
 
other countries have had similar crime problems- and solved them

ok, i know some people will shoot me down, this isnt usa -- but look at the article.

If policing instituted tough penalties for small crimes, bigger crimes wouldnt get off the ground.

Before the turnaround, New Orleans was in a slow downward spiral and, in 1994, the city hit bottom. With 425 murders and equally alarming numbers in other crime categories, America's favorite Mardi Gras destination also earned the title of America's most violent city. Tourists were being scared away, new businesses were on hold, downtown construction was nearly at a standstill. Longtime residents were fleeing New Orleans for the suburbs. Things were so miserable that the city was tainted with the ultimate symbolic badge of dishonor, an exposi on "60 Minutes" by Mike Wallace.


http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=119&subsecID=213&contentID=2155


What did make a difference was enforcing existing laws and making it clear the era of anarchy was over. The most famous example was the resurrection of New York, where Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Police Commissioner William Bratton cracked down on graffiti artists, turnstile jumpers and other perpetrators of minor crimes. This "broken windows" approach was designed to restore a sense of order; just as unfixed windows fuel perceptions of buildings abandoned to squatters, unaddressed crimes fuel perceptions of streets abandoned to criminals. "If you deal with the graffiti and the other little offenses," said Rutgers University criminologist George Kelling, who devised the broken windows theory along with political scientist James Q. Wilson, "you send a strong message that you're not going to tolerate the big offenses."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/10/AR2006021001790.html
 
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In South Africa! First replace the GVT! They do not know what Govern means only how corruption theft and exploitation works!
 
halicon said:
military on farms or patrolling farms is an excellent idea!

still favour ed209 from robocop :D
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There was a system and it got abolished as it was seen as racists and interfering with Police work. It was rather a way of getting rid of them so the farms can be unsafe and the farmers leave so the SACP faction in GVT get what they want without doing what they did in ZIM.
 
In South Africa! First replace the GVT! They do not know what Govern means only how corruption theft and exploitation works!
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But then again - we could as easily said the same of the last government. Different strokes - same sh#t. Let's not hold our breath for the people's revolution - this is it - love it or leave it (as our esteemed minister said.)
 
The fact of the matter is that there or certain policies only government can change. As a private citizen you have absolutely no power over the prison system, or the justice system, or our police department - these are government's responsibilities.

Our courts are backlogged and our jails overcrowding and our police force understaffed.

Personally I feel that our prison system is doing the most damage. You can have the best of the rest but if the prisons are overcrowded and run by gangs, what is the point, people get release early to make room for newcomers and then go back into the society with an 85% chance of returning to crime and landing up back in prison. A success rate of 15% is pathetic.

Join www.standtogether.co.za and make government take a stand against prison gangs. Do it. Now.
 
DigitalSoldier said:
I think we are past a state of emergency, look at the following thread
With only 14 murders a month they are already declaring a state of emergency and we got more than a 100 murders a month
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100 a month? No, we have over 1500 a month. Or did you mean only Joburg?
 
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