Some advice required regarding whether I should continue studying or not

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Hey guys,

So I'm stuck in a bit of a funny position that I'm struggling to decide on, which is weird for me.
I've got a B.Sc IT behind my name and have been working for a year as an embedded software developer full time, and before that, 6 months part time, and before that I did some sys-admin work.

Now, yesterday I received a call from a friend of mine saying that the head of the IT department would like to offer me a job and that I should come in to see him.
Today I went to speak to him and he proposed that I work for them in the usability lab.

Here's the tricky bit though:
The pro's:
They want me to do my honours during next year, for which I don't have to pay for.
I'm free to study anything else at university for free as well, including business courses and the like, which tend to be rather expensive.
I will be employed full-time (See 40 hours per week) but I won't actually be working 40 hours, it's just a requirement in order to let me study for free. If I don't work full-time, they can only pay half of the studies. In practice, I should be working quite a bit less than 40 hours per week, which should allow me to continue with my current work as a consultant/contractor, which pays fairly well.
I would be getting experience with usability studies, using very expensive equipment which I would otherwise not have access to, which will probably assist me in getting my foot in the door for a position as a BA, which is a possible future goal, as nobody wants to hire people as BA's who don't have any experience in it.
I would stay in Bloemfontein, instead of move to Johannesburg early next year, as I planned, which would be good as my fiance is only finishing medicine next year October, upon which time she will get placed somewhere in the Freestate for two years, so less traveling would be involved and thus less strain would be placed on the relationship.
I could continue to stay in my Parents' house, which means I wouldn't need to pay rent, just my phone bill, petrol, and other such expenses.

Cons:
They can't give me an exact amount of hours per week that I would work, only that there would be weeks when I work almost nothing, only performing general maintenance in the labs and weeks where studies are conducted, which would require more time from my side.
I'm told my studies would take priority and thus, if I had a test to write, they would not bother me when I need to study.
The salary is pretty crap. R2000 per month definite, and another R2000/R3000 (They'll get back to me with an exact figure) per month in the form of a bursary. At the moment I earn R275/hour, which may seem like a lot, but income isn't steady and I only get that when I actually perform work for a client. Admin work is my own time, and thus I don't get paid for that.
I could probably earn a lot more in Jhb, but then travel expenses have to be taken into consideration - I would need to drive to Bloemfontein and back probably once a week to see the other half. This could change when she's done, to 2 hours of driving each way, instead of 4, if she got placed in Bethlehem, for instance (Which she's not guaranteed to get placement for). If she stayed in Bloemfontein, she wouldn't need to pay rent though, as she has a house that she lives in, belonging to her parents.

So what do you guys reckon? Should I take the job, work for a year still in Bloemfontein, getting my honours and valuable experience in a field that's fairly difficult to get into, or should I stick to my original plan of moving to Jhb? If I do the latter, what's the likelyhood of getting a salary of R15-20k, which would be required to really make it financially viable, in the current economy?
Would honours and the experience be worth something in the future? I can do IT honours as well as physics (which should be a walk in the park as they have a course where the basics of my current job is handled, so it's hardly like I would struggle) and a management course or two as offered by the business school, all for free, as I said.

Oh, I'm 23 right now, so still pretty young and nowhere near starting a family, so finances aren't THAT big a deal right now, but I do feel that I should maybe start getting things together.

Much appreciated
 
Do the studying thing... its a year and will be worth a fortune when you finnish.
You are getting paid to study, it will never happen ever again in your life. Once you join the rat race you are in for life. Study now !

I have the big fancy job in JHB and after I finnish paying for the house and all the other stuff I only have about 2k to blow, so it works out the same.


As a side note my wife just finnished her internship :) Glad its done ! Its a long tough period and she needs your support. Oh and I also did a BSC IT
 
First off MAKE SURE YOU GET A CONTRACT

The "They can't give me an exact amount of hours per week that I would work" worries me a bit. Insist on a contract so that both parties know the requirements.

If they tell you 40 hours a week but probably less, and they state 40 hours a week on the contract, bargain on working 40 hours a week. Anything less is awesome for your consultant business, but don't count on working less (or none at all) for the week.

The pay may be crap but you can't put a price on education. Just make sure you note the terms & conditions very carefully. Some companies insist you work for them 6 months for every course you take (or some such agreement)

Nothing can be decided without a contract though, so until you have a concrete offer with everything laid out infront of you to sign as an agreement, we can't be much help.

I would definitely take the study option. 2k a month should cover your cellphone and petrol easily... so if you want, add 20 hours a week onto your work week each week and get your extra income like that... else study.
 
Study!! You are still young with few responsibilities and you will never get such a chance again... Plus no one can take a degree away from you, but jobs come and go.
 
The pay may be crap but you can't put a price on education. Just make sure you note the terms & conditions very carefully. Some companies insist you work for them 6 months for every course you take (or some such agreement)

this is important- find out how long they want you to work for them on completion of your studies- most companies are willing to pay for your studies as an investment into their future, and as such, are hoping you will stay for a long time, so find out what they expect, and what will happen once you are done studying- will they increase your pay etc...
 
Study! Remember, think long term, while R15k now might seem appealing, an Honours will stick with you for the rest of your life.

Also, if you want into go into a BA type role, do some business related subjects. IT + some financial experience goes a very long way!

I have a B.Sc. Comp Sci Hons, and regret not doing more business/finance related subjects at varsity. I'm actually still studying to get more business knowledge
 
Thanks for the reply guys.

I don't know if this wasn't clear, but I'd actually be working for the university, running the usability lab. The university has a rule that full-time employees can enroll in any courses, free of charge, for the duration of their employment. The head of the department that I spoke to, said he'd like me to complete my honours within a year and then proceed to doing my M, if I would like. I spoke to the post grad director, and he said that an M wouldn't help me much if I didn't want to go into academics and that honours should be my short-term goal after which I ought to start looking for work.
The subject matter seems really interesting as well: they're offering security, cryptography and data-mining, amongst others.
As for the business-side of things, they offer a management-focused honours, where half the modules are MBA modules, so if I ever wanted to do one, I'd already have some credits. However, I think I'd rather take a separate, management-focused course instead of sharing the IT qualification with it.

I'll wait for them to get back to me with a final number as a salary before I make a final decision, but at the moment it seems that an extra R2000 per month in the form of a bursary, would be very likely, which is acceptable I think. I'll prepare myself mentally to work a 40 hour week, for the time being. If I don't work that long, great, if I do, then it's not unexpected.
And as you guys said, it's only a year and I'm still young.
 
Dude, study and as AZ says, get it in writing.

Getting a contract isn't an issue. They're a fairly huge institution and the CCMA and the like don't take it lightly when they skip on contracts. Besides that, they're actually busy preparing one for me to look over, as is.
I learnt from my previous employers to never work without getting stuff in writing though.
 
Ah I see, working for varsity is definitely a plus point in my books. Friend of mine works for TUKS and he thoroughly enjoys it. Started out as a tech and now does more web stuff AFAIK.

The opportunities aren't closed off though, and by next year you'll get a decent picture as to what exactly your opportunities within the varsity is, if you'd like to look for a job outside of varsity, gives you the flexibility. Personally I won't mind the extra studies (even if it's academic) because I won't mind ending up teaching.

Even if you study/work there till you're 26, your life basically started 27+ ish so by then you'd basically walk into any job paying R16k+ easy without batting an eyelash.
 
Ah I see, working for varsity is definitely a plus point in my books. Friend of mine works for TUKS and he thoroughly enjoys it. Started out as a tech and now does more web stuff AFAIK.

The opportunities aren't closed off though, and by next year you'll get a decent picture as to what exactly your opportunities within the varsity is, if you'd like to look for a job outside of varsity, gives you the flexibility. Personally I won't mind the extra studies (even if it's academic) because I won't mind ending up teaching.

Even if you study/work there till you're 26, your life basically started 27+ ish so by then you'd basically walk into any job paying R16k+ easy without batting an eyelash.

Well I'm brilliant at teaching people, and I'm not exaggerating, so I wouldn't mind taking a few classes now and then either. As long as I get experience and learn though. I don't want to stagnate!
 
Study.. you getting a bit of both and the extra degree will not hurt in future
 
My 5c

I almost left varsity after completing my BCom (Information Systems & Management). Looking back I'm so glad that stayed on the extra year to do honours. The real bonus was having a strong IT focus with good business credentials. I (along with my other 9 mates) were snapped up and I found I had a huge amount of flexibility in choosing what I would do.

My advice. Study the extra year and make sure you get some good business modules to your name. It will go a long way in increasing your starting salary, allowing you be flexible with what you end up doing and will be immensely useful if you aim to become a BA. R2000 a month as a student is still more than adequate to keep you going and if they add the bursary that's just a bonus. Let's face it - the life of a student (when I think back) does not have to be lavish to be fun.

All the best.
 
Study, it will benefit you as well, no need to worry about the rest.
 
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You suggest an infinite loop of studying? I think honours may be enough. ;)
So I'm just waiting to hear something from them regarding a final figure for my salary and hopefully I'll be able to get something on paper to make this more official. Once that's done, I'll let myself get more excited.
 
Dude.

You're 23. Your salary will scale heavily the higher qualification you have. Heck, when I finished my honours my salary nearly doubled. That was 3 years back ... since then I haven't gone on to do my masters and my salary shows it.

You're young enough to make all the mistakes in the world and write it off. Don't let money grab you now. It might seem like a lot to you now - but you don't want to be stuck earning it forever.

I never had the cash to study at varsity, so I waitered and bartended my way through Tech. I'd give up my last rolo for the chance to have had my studies paid for...

When you start proper work at big firms you're no longer the future of the country and all you are is a tax number. You'll be expected to know things that you never even studied for - so rather cover your bases as much as you can.
 
You suggest an infinite loop of studying? I think honours may be enough. ;)
So I'm just waiting to hear something from them regarding a final figure for my salary and hopefully I'll be able to get something on paper to make this more official. Once that's done, I'll let myself get more excited.

I know this one guy who used to be in varsity with me. He is still there :eek: that guy is like a machine feeding on information. I figured it might be some kind of addiction to this guy. And he's not there for the fun of being in varsity, he's there to learn. He is 3 years older than me being 33 next year then.

I'm all for getting to a point in life where you stand out from the majority of the population (Getting a degree is good enough) Get your doctorate if you really want to be you need to get to a point where you want to start living and stop learning.

I would say go for it if you want to. But if you feel you are at a point where you can now sit back and bare the fruit of your labor do that instead of wasting another few years.

But that is just me.

Remember life is too short to be stuck in books for 1/2 of it.
 
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