Some info Needed

[josephzwarts]

Hi guys wanted to know, I live in a complex and was thinking of getting a few of the tennants on adsl if 10 of us get wireless card, and we apply for a uncapped account. Would we need a license of some sort or is it seen as a private nework? What if more ppl in the complex join up?

Please i need to find this out, I think RPM would be able to help here as he knows the regulations and so forth.

So many questions so little time

 

[bwana]

Hi guys wanted to know, I live in a complex and was thinking of getting a few of the tennants on adsl if 10 of us get wireless card, and we apply for a uncapped account. Would we need a license of some sort or is it seen as a private nework? What if more ppl in the complex join up?

Please i need to find this out, I think RPM would be able to help here as he knows the regulations and so forth.

So many questions so little time

With the current legislation if the wireless signal crosses leaves you're property then you're breaking the law. Of course its almost impossible to make sure your wireless signal doesnt stray so if someone else happened to pick up the signal . . . .

What are the property boundaries when it comes to flats?

If you keep it to yourself (ie dont mention it to the telkom guy installing the adsl) there's little chance that you'll ever get found out. I think I share my wireless with the neighbors too.

 

[Nickste]

Yeah, don't worry about the legal side, they really don't care about these sort of wireless networks.
If there are 10 of you, you will definately want to look at minimum of 512 line.

A hint on the uncapped account, if you're looking to keep your costs down, just get a normal telkom 3gb account... they don't seem to be doing much capping on them *touches wood*

Cheers, Nick

 

[josephzwarts]

Thanks guys

This was of much help, I was looking into a 1 mb line, who would be a good uncapped host to go with if we look at this.

Who's pricing is not to astronomical.

 

[cableguy]

Wouldn't it be great if Telkom decides to cap them at 19GB's, and its only halfway through the month, or who knows, maybe Telkoms Eeenie Meenie Minny Moe game lands his number on 10GB's, or gosh, he might be lucky and land on 21GB's, or...mmmm.....3GB's......

No thanks, I will stick with the certainty of knowing I have no bandwidth limit!

Yeah, don't worry about the legal side, they really don't care about these sort of wireless networks.
If there are 10 of you, you will definately want to look at minimum of 512 line.

A hint on the uncapped account, if you're looking to keep your costs down, just get a normal telkom 3gb account... they don't seem to be doing much capping on them *touches wood*

Cheers, Nick

 

[Scooby_Doo]

Well the only uncapped lines that u can get are IS accounts but alot of ISPs resell them... The big choice is do u want p2p to work or not... Cuz u can save alot if u don't mind not having p2p...

 

[josephzwarts]

Well the only uncapped lines that u can get are IS accounts but alot of ISPs resell them... The big choice is do u want p2p to work or not... Cuz u can save alot if u don't mind not having p2p...

I think the guys would be wanting to do P2P, limewire and so on, there are many services that would need to run, like video streaming and VOIP.

Thanks for the input guys. I really appreciate it. Thanks

 

[josephzwarts]

Sorry one more question would a uncapped account also have a static ip address?

 

[armitage]

Well most of them do.

I'm getting myself the INX uncapped account.


Extract of their features follows.

NO Cap
POP3 E-Mail Accounts
Server Virus Scanning
The Uncapped Business ADSL service has no restriction on downloads and uploads, allows for Static TCP/IP addresses so that web server or email servers can be hosted on-site, traffic shaping is not enforced, and needs a specific Cisco Router supplied by inX to operate.
Fixed IP - x 5
Including Cisco Router (Setup Fee R1500-00)
Uplink Provider - IS
Concurrent Connections - ONE
Service Availability - Anywhere in South Africa


Cost is 1400 per month for a 512 line. Double that for the 1024.
Though u will have 2 sign a 12 month contract.

Im thinking about doing the same thing in my apartment building. we have around 100 apartments but i doubt ill be able to get even a third of them interested.

So far its just gonna be me and three other friends sharing the line.


Currently were testing a wifi connection with the flats across the greens from me and if all works then it's gonna be five of us on the line. Brings down the cost so its actually affordable.

Things to consider though.
Are you gonna b doing p2p?
What are you going to be using the line for?


The above package isn't a bad one. Though it does run on IS so the speeds from gaming servers have the inherant latency from is-saix.

Does take 8-10 days for them to configure the equipment and everything.

 

[kilo39]

Currently were testing a wifi connection with the flats across the greens from me and if all works then it's gonna be five of us on the line. Brings down the cost so its actually affordable.

Sounds like San Fransisco in the 80's - this is how far behind we are!

 

[PostmanPot]

This was of much help, I was looking into a 1 mb line, who would be a good uncapped host to go with if we look at this.

Who's pricing is not to astronomical.

uunet.. if you can find a reseller!

 

[josephzwarts]

You know of anyone?

 

[bwana]

I think the guys would be wanting to do P2P, limewire and so on, there are many services that would need to run, like video streaming and VOIP.

Thanks for the input guys. I really appreciate it. Thanks

One guy running torrents can stall the line pretty effectively. What are you going to use to regulate traffic?

 

[rsachoc]

I suggest m0n0wall

 

[Nickste]

Yeah, install a smoothwall box or something of that flavour to look after load balancing.

@cableguy

if you're looking to keep your costs down

It's a risk you take, but if you don't get eenie meenie moed, you'll save a fair whack.

Cheers, Nick

 

[rainynight65]

Configure your router with encryption, MAC filtering and don't broadcast your SID, so only people you know and want to can connect to the wireless, and you should be fine.

 

[josephzwarts]

Configure your router with encryption, MAC filtering and don't broadcast your SID, so only people you know and want to can connect to the wireless, and you should be fine.

How would i setup on the other side if i don't braodcast the SSID? we are going to use Mac filtering as well as WAP key authentication, and i was planning on puting in a squid box with transparnet proxy, so this would help with regards to load ballancing and restricting guys a bit, not much though.

Also one more question if we put in one access point and get another access point to repeat the signal, which access point woudl handle the mac filtering access ponit 1 or the repeater access point, how would i then setup up hiding the SSID, do i hide both or what?

 

[rainynight65]

You don't have to broadcast the SSID because you know it.

Each of these security measures work together, none of them will be sufficient if used exclusively. Deactivating SSID broadcast prevents people from seeing your network, but they can still connect if they know the SSID. MAC filtering prevents unknown clients from connecting to the network - the most efficient method, but also the most elaborate one. Encryption prevents others from sniffing out your traffic and gaining access to private data.

I am not sure how to repeater access points, but if you use any of these methods, they have to be configured equally on every access point.

 

[josephzwarts]

You don't have to broadcast the SSID because you know it.

Each of these security measures work together, none of them will be sufficient if used exclusively. Deactivating SSID broadcast prevents people from seeing your network, but they can still connect if they know the SSID. MAC filtering prevents unknown clients from connecting to the network - the most efficient method, but also the most elaborate one. Encryption prevents others from sniffing out your traffic and gaining access to private data.

I am not sure how to repeater access points, but if you use any of these methods, they have to be configured equally on every access point.

Ook i know what mac filtering is, now one more question, what is the max amount of guys you could have on one access point, And you set up a wireless AP as a repeater, WRTG54 linksys works great for this.