Some tests. blah

It is a bit premature to knock Sentech's decision without knowing the full reasoning behind it, however the only benefits of using dynamic IP in a mostly "always on" environment are a) a slight increase in the number of users you can assign to an IP block as perhaps a small percentage of users will not be connected 24/7 and b) slightly less administration of IP addresses, though to track available static IP's is not excessively complicated so no excuse there.

At the end of the day I hope Sentech delivers, static IP or not. The market is in dire need of of decent competition even if the competition isn't a magic bullet. I hope they prove to be that kick in the colon that Telkom sorely needs.
 
Surely the most obvious reason for not providing static IPs is that it limits a user's ability to host various services, be it HTTP, FTP, email, etc. I would imagine that the thinking is that a significant amount of bandwidth can be saved if this is the case.
 
hello,

personally i dont think there are too many people out there that require static ip's.

myself i'd prefer NOT to have one for the following reasons:
1) if you get hacked it makes it SLIGHTLY more difficult for the guy to find you again
2) someone decides to flood your connection for no apparent reason, (this does tend to happen on irc) all you have to do is reconnect.

maybe they should offer the option of a static ip at a higher price for ex. maybe R100 extra per month or something. its not something EVERYBODY wants.. just the minority.
 
I don't think running a web site or mail server will create nearly as much traffic as people using their connection for P2P networks. I agree that not many people require a static IP but you can use dynamic DNS web services to get around the dynamic IP issue, so rather just offer a static IP and be done with it.

timo :

1) Get a firewall... if you have a 24/7 connection and retarded enough not to have a firewall you deserve to get hacked.

2) Most IRC servers these days mask your IP so it would have to be a really lucky guess on the flooder's part.

And yeah where did those testers disappear to, have they been silenced for some reason?
 
They have disappeared! I remember they had a post on what they should test. I don't see none on the results! I wanna see the results!

..- dot dot dash ;)
 
Perdition

1) Show me a firewall thats 100% secure that doesnt cost a fortune
2) Being a 128, 512K line, ***********NO************* firewall will be able to stop someone on a 10mbit + line flooding you.

This doesnt happen every day, but you never know. As I said, personally I prefer a dynamic ip.

On top of that its only the small irc networks that mask your ip
 
Good day

As far as I know, to flood somebody takes resources. The flooder will have to sacrifice his own internet access speed in order to flood you. You will seriously have to anger somebody for them to do this. If not and the flooder does it purely because he can, then you can be sure it won't last.

If it does...

There are many ways to remedy this. Firstly you can block the port he is attacking. He will "shoot blanks" so to speak. And if all else fails and you for some reason managed to seriously p*** somebody off (which would make him/her that persistent), then get a new IP and let the administrators handle it... ;o) (With dynamic IP this would not be necessary) But pitty the person that gets assigned that IP after you...

Cheers


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<br />Perdition

1) Show me a firewall thats 100% secure that doesnt cost a fortune
2) Being a 128, 512K line, ***********NO************* firewall will be able to stop someone on a 10mbit + line flooding you.

This doesnt happen every day, but you never know. As I said, personally I prefer a dynamic ip.

On top of that its only the small irc networks that mask your ip
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1) No firewall is 100% secure else they would never need to upgrade them, however even the freeware firewalls provide enough protection that a casual hacker will have no chance. You can also use an old PC and set up a linux firewall, granted this isn't an option for most people but it is free. A skilled hacker determined to get into your machine will easily find you again, static ip or not. With Sentech your IP changes only when you disconnect or change cells which will be very seldom, so you basically have a semi-static IP... why not just provide fully static IP?

2) Adding to what antowan said, don't piss people off on IRC [;)]
 
Just being on a static ip does't mean that you won't get hacked, hell, I'd still use a firewall at the very least. I use static in the uk for an extra £2 a month I need to connect via radmin and ftp from work and if you want to run a mailserver for *small* business purposes it's ace!!
 
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IPFW and IPTABLES are free. See, Smoothwall as well.

If you have number 1 then you dont have a problem with number 2, most people are put off by a firewall when selecting someone to flood. The general script kiddie pattern is portscan first, try some exploits then give up and flood. If you setup default drop rules it takes them so long to portscan you which comes up dry anyway that they move on (Generaly).

True static IP's would actualy require more work by Sentech to implement. They would have to respond to issues such as DoSes black holing attackers on a regular basis etc.

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Hi Karny,
Actually, remember that Sentech Already has a vast corporate client base with Static IP's so it ain't about the DoS "issues", but rather a means to rapidly deploy the technology. I can say this much: Sentech is willing to give routable IP addys to 512k users who show a viable need to have them. aDSL in this county does not at the present. That to me is a big difference. Also to note that the large majority of users will not need this capability. So It aint about the ability, but rather about the rapid deployment needs.

Doomy out.
 
For Doomy - so what's your definition of a 'viable need'? Is Sentech going to play a consumer arbitration role and arbitrarily decide whether the need is 'viable' or not? How about providing some insight into why allocation of static IP's would affect the speed of rollout?
 
Viable Need is simple. This product is targeted at Residential up to SOHO users. SOHO will get preference( This here being an unsubstantiated opinion). If you can give a good enuff reason why you need a static IP, be it Mail/etc Server, vpn solution, Security Solution, etc. As long as you require an static IP solution in your use of the Internet, it should qualify you. The vast Majority of Internet home users do not need this. so it does make it easier to role out as the IP management tools, Potential DNS/MX records/Domain management issues no longer associated cuts cost in maintaining a non fixed IP solution.

Make sense?

Doomy out.
 
For Doomy - OK, makes sense. Now I (as a residential user), want to remotely interrogate my home-based webcam-based security system. Does this qualify as a viable need entitling me to a static IP?
 
No it wouldnt really because you can use a Dynamic DNS service for such a system without any problem ;)

If you were hosting your own domain then a dynamic IP creates problems. As with tunnels (VPN, GRE etc) that have to be setup with static end points.

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For Karny - yep, that's precisely the problem, as remote interrogstion is and will never be accessible through anything except via tunnelled comms. Ah well - when the service is finally available, I'll have to negotiate appropriately (read - scream and shout?!) with Doomy/ProAsm or whoever the Sentech decision-makers are... [V]
 
I think Doomy and Pro will be more likely just to hang up :P

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At least it appears there is an avenue to obtain a static IP. I personally require one for business purposes so hopefully I will be able to negotiate one. It's good to see that Sentech are listening to (potential) customers even if they don't implement everything we want at this stage... certainly more refreshing than Telkom's "get bent" attitude.
 
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