Speed VS Bandwidth

[eye_suc]

What would the total traffic be using dial up and infinitcall? This is just a rough guess, but please check my assumptions and correct where needed...

Inifnitcall allows you to be connected during all callmore hours:
i.e. 12 hours per week day, 60 hours per weekend

thus (4 weekdays * 12 hours) + 60 hours per weekend = 108 hours per week

lets asume 4 weeks per month: 108 h/w * 4 = 432 hours per month

lets asume maximum download speed at 4.5 kb/s:
4.5 kb/s * 60 seconds = 270 kb/minute
270 * 60 minutes = 15.82 MB/hour

so 432 hours * 15.82 MB/hour = 6834.24 MB per month

Total cost for this would be roundabout R500/month

Dial up twice as cheap as ADSL? cool!

Please comment on these assumptions... PLEASE! If this is correct then i'm NEVER getting off dial up!

 

[qdada]

You might have left out;

Monthly line rental.
ISP charges.
Line Disconnects.

 

[Vio]

I'm doing exactly what he's describing on isdn 64k atm and i can say the charge if you stick to callmore time is +/-R800 that includes everything.

64K also gives you +/- 6.2-7.6 KB/sec up and down

 

[Vio]

I dont always download as i spend alot of my online time playing games, but I do generate about 12-16 gigs of trafic per month.

 

[qdada]

Fair point.

No doubt; all 3 options are still expensive though for 24 hour alwasys on Internet. (dialup, ISDN, ADSL).

 

[eye_suc]

Well, concerning the costs involved...

Whats the current rate for infinitcall? Ag wat, R9 ought to cover it.

So you have 5 dial ups (assuming no disconnects) per week @ R9 each giving you R45 per week. R45 * 4 weeks = R180.

Dial up costs = R180
Line Rental = R90 (a bit overbudgeted)
Infinitcall = R60 (ditto)
ISP = R80
Potential disconnects = R100

Total (approx) = R510

OK, worst case scenario: You have to reconnect every single day, even over weekends. So thats 31 days * R9 per dial up = R279

Dial up costs = R279
Rest stays same

Total (approx) = R609 (worst case scenario)
Still looks cheaper than ADSL! WOOT!

While i almost never get disconnected (prolly about 3 times since october 2004) i sometimes have to restart due to driver installation or software installation or whatever. My good fortune i suppose, but it still works out much cheaper than ADSL and results in much more bandwidth usage.

Is it true that ADSL becomes useless once you hit the cap?

 

[MaD]

What would the total traffic be using dial up and infinitcall? This is just a rough guess, but please check my assumptions and correct where needed...

Inifnitcall allows you to be connected during all callmore hours:
i.e. 12 hours per week day, 60 hours per weekend

thus (4 weekdays * 12 hours) + 60 hours per weekend = 108 hours per week

lets asume 4 weeks per month: 108 h/w * 4 = 432 hours per month

lets asume maximum download speed at 4.5 kb/s:
4.5 kb/s * 60 seconds = 270 kb/minute
270 * 60 minutes = 15.82 MB/hour

so 432 hours * 15.82 MB/hour = 6834.24 MB per month

Total cost for this would be roundabout R500/month

Dial up twice as cheap as ADSL? cool!

Please comment on these assumptions... PLEASE! If this is correct then i'm NEVER getting off dial up!

I used to do around 8GB/mo with Atlantic.. always got between 5-6KB/s and man, did I stay on as long as possible.. one gets to the point where you get a prog to automatically disconnect you at 06:55 every morning and a ping prog to constantly ping the server to try prevent disconnects, of which I had only 3 in one year.. seems like a distant memory now and thats what it should stay at hehe

 

[Rob]

Infinite Dial-Up

Well since moving to CT I'm back on Dial-up and the "Infinite-call" Lately I've been disconnected so much it's just not worth it.

When I am miraculously not disconnected in a weekend I DL about 500 Megs and UL about 350.

When I was on 64K ISDN I used to DL about 1.5Gigs on a weekend.

Right now if I had ADSL I would reach the cap in about 3 days so it just is not worth it at the current prices.

 

[qdada]

Well, concerning the costs involved...

Whats the current rate for infinitcall? Ag wat, R9 ought to cover it.

So you have 5 dial ups (assuming no disconnects) per week @ R9 each giving you R45 per week. R45 * 4 weeks = R180.

Dial up costs = R180
Line Rental = R90 (a bit overbudgeted)
Infinitcall = R60 (ditto)
ISP = R80
Potential disconnects = R100

Total (approx) = R510

OK, worst case scenario: You have to reconnect every single day, even over weekends. So thats 31 days * R9 per dial up = R279

Dial up costs = R279
Rest stays same

Total (approx) = R609 (worst case scenario)
Still looks cheaper than ADSL! WOOT!

While i almost never get disconnected (prolly about 3 times since october 2004) i sometimes have to restart due to driver installation or software installation or whatever. My good fortune i suppose, but it still works out much cheaper than ADSL and results in much more bandwidth usage.

Is it true that ADSL becomes useless once you hit the cap?

I concede.

 

[eye_suc]

So if we can utilize so much more bandwidth with dial up and isdn why must we be limited to 3gb on ADSL?!? It just makes no sense to me.

Maybe this can also be brought up at the ICASA hearings, in an effort to increase the cap to something more reasonable. Should we even care anymore? Will there be something to look forward to after these hearings?

 

[KickTheBucket]

So if we can utilize so much more bandwidth with dial up and isdn why must we be limited to 3gb on ADSL?!? It just makes no sense to me.

Because on ADSL there is the potential to download 100gigs per month. Plus, when each person on ADSL is downloading at 50kB/s it kinda tends to clog up the networks.

And next point... no kidding 56k is cheaper than ADSL. ADSL is what... 10 times faster than 56k? Plus is digital so is a better quality connection. Plus is a 24/7 connection. That's the general principle in life... you pay more for a better quality service.

 

[bb_matt]

Don't forget one important thing - with ADSL, once your capped, you can still access local just as fast.

This may be k@k from a point of view of international traffic, but at least you can do local gaming and download from local ftp sites.

dialup is just no substitute no matter which way you look at it.
quality streaming audio is impossible, gaming is slow, it takes an age to download anything.

I was on infinitcall for 2 years and used to get 5kb/s pretty much always - it was cr@p coming home to a connection like that, after enjoying nice fast speeds at work.

 

[eye_suc]

Hmmm, so the CAP controls bandwidth for only the ADSL lines. The only way to supply enough bandwidth would then be to improve their infrastructure? i.e. more of those thingies, DSLAMS?

I suppose the better deal would still be ADSL, but at almost R1000 per month for 512k its way beyond most ppl's budget. Is the speed increase from ISDN to 192 worth it?

If everybody used their max download speeds at once, would that influence any other service from telkom? Would dial up also be slowed down as a result?