Speedfine SCAM

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dyanamo

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So after getting 2 speed fines and viewing the fines and seeing that there is no crossheir or distance from camera and going take it up with the relevant authorities, I check on viewfines.co.za and see they have now ADDED a distance measurment to the photo and low and behold a magical crossheir appears where there once was none. Unfortunetly I dont have a copy of that picture (woot woot remembered I uploaded it to HERE. Links at bottom.) but what I do have is the picture on the notice of infingment with guess what no crossheir.

Even more to my amazement the photo in the notice has no details on it what so ever just the picture. From what I understand about this is that the details of the offense has to be stamped onto the photo at time of capture and cant be manually added. Now not only have the readings/values been added but also a crossheir that isnt even in the middle of the picture.

Im taking this to them and im gonna right a article about it aswell so hopefully can get published so people in Somerset Region can be warned of this fraud that they are commiting.

Photos will be added shortly

First Image from viewfines.co.za
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New Image from viewfines.co.za
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Notice the big dfferences hey?
 
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dyanamo said:
So after getting 2 speed fines and viewing the fines and seeing that there is no crossheir or distance from camera and going take it up with the relevant authorities, I check on viewfines.co.za and see they have now ADDED a distance measurment to the photo and low and behold a magical crossheir appears where there once was none. Unfortunetly I dont have a copy of that picture (woot woot remembered I uploaded it to HERE. Links at bottom.) but what I do have is the picture on the notice of infingment with guess what no crossheir.
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You can get a copy of the original picture before they changed it on viewfines because exactly the same thing has happened to me.

Basically go view the image get the URL for it and remove the letters 'mod' off the end of the file name

e.g

https://www.viewfines.co.za/webimages/images/12345mod.jpg

change to

https://www.viewfines.co.za/webimages/images/12345.jpg

and you'll have the original
 
andytl5 said:
You can get a copy of the original picture before they changed it on viewfines because exactly the same thing has happened to me.

Basically go view the image get the URL for it and remove the letters 'mod' off the end of the file name

e.g

https://www.viewfines.co.za/webimages/images/12345mod.jpg

change to

https://www.viewfines.co.za/webimages/images/12345.jpg

and you'll have the original
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You are a lifesaver! thxs more fuel to the fire!

Did you take it further and what did they say if you did?
 
I was told by the traffic dept over the phone to go to any traffic dept and lay a complaint by taking the original and modified image to show them the problem.

I'm furious they have changed the image and photo-shopped them to make the fines legal. Any idiot can tell that the cross hair is not real and has been stuck on.

Anyway I've yet to go to the traffic dept but also plan on contacting noseweek magazine to see what they have to say.
 
dyanamo said:
So after getting 2 speed fines and viewing the fines and seeing that there is no crossheir or distance from camera and going take it up with the relevant authorities, I check on viewfines.co.za and see they have now ADDED a distance measurment to the photo and low and behold a magical crossheir appears where there once was none. Unfortunetly I dont have a copy of that picture (woot woot remembered I uploaded it to HERE. Links at bottom.) but what I do have is the picture on the notice of infingment with guess what no crossheir.

Even more to my amazement the photo in the notice has no details on it what so ever just the picture. From what I understand about this is that the details of the offense has to be stamped onto the photo at time of capture and cant be manually added. Now not only have the readings/values been added but also a crossheir that isnt even in the middle of the picture.

Im taking this to them and im gonna right a article about it aswell so hopefully can get published so people in Somerset Region can be warned of this fraud that they are commiting.

Photos will be added shortly

First Image from viewfines.co.za
picture.php


New Image from viewfines.co.za
picture.php


Notice the big dfferences hey?
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The camera being used looks like the MicroDigicam supplied by Transatlantic

Here are links to the manufacturer:

http://www.lasertech.com/Micro-Digi-Cam.aspx

and the local supplier:

http://www.transatlanticequipment.co.za

http://www.transatlanticequipment.co.za/documents/Micro_Digi_Cam_UltraLyte.pdf


Check out the specs. AFAIK the top image is the standard image they have been issueing all along. The bottom one looks different. Remember it could be that the one without the crosshair is a duplicate that is generated by the camera for viewing purposes, and the one with the cross hair is the actual image stored in the database. It does however look suspicious especially since the crosshair is nicely on the numberplate area, when the cross should be right in the centre of the image.

I think the company in Cape Town that takes care of all speed fines is Syntell. I know it used to be a company called TCS who were responsible for the capturing of the images in the Cape Area.

Its possible that they realised the mistake and edited all the pics afterwards. The "mod" in the filename is a give away that it could have been edited.

No need to take the whole thing to the media as you are just using energy. Just get them to withdraw your fine. But remember this could be a feature of the camera which will leave you with egg on your face.
 
metalcore said:
... It does however look suspicious especially since the crosshair is nicely on the numberplate area, when the cross should be right in the centre of the image.

I think the company in Cape Town that takes care of all speed fines is Syntell. I know it used to be a company called TCS who were responsible for the capturing of the images in the Cape Area.

Its possible that they realised the mistake and edited all the pics afterwards. The "mod" in the filename is a give away that it could have been edited.

No need to take the whole thing to the media as you are just using energy. Just get them to withdraw your fine. But remember this could be a feature of the camera which will leave you with egg on your face.
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I agree, the cross has been added later inaccurately because the cross should be in the centre of the image as it would be if if took a picture with a camera at that moment in time when you were pictured.
Looks to me they have placed it wherever they want to make the fine legal.
 
Just because the data wasn't added onto the photo you saw at first, doesn't mean it wasn't included with the original photo.

Metadata is often stored alongside an image, just because you couldn't see it, doesn't mean it wasn't there.

When they 'reprinted' the photo, an updated rendering engine could render it differently to what it was previously rendered, so that you can clearly see it complies with AARTO regulations.

Also - the reticle doesn't need to be in the centre of the photo itself. That would mean the photo contains almost 50% of road. If a truck was to be photographed in such a fashion, you might not be able to see the driver in the photo.
 
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Not to mention there is another car in the image and you can argue that vehicle was speeding and you were not.
 
metalcore said:
The camera being used looks like the MicroDigicam supplied by Transatlantic

Here are links to the manufacturer:

http://www.lasertech.com/Micro-Digi-Cam.aspx

and the local supplier:

http://www.transatlanticequipment.co.za

http://www.transatlanticequipment.co.za/documents/Micro_Digi_Cam_UltraLyte.pdf


Check out the specs. AFAIK the top image is the standard image they have been issueing all along. The bottom one looks different. Remember it could be that the one without the crosshair is a duplicate that is generated by the camera for viewing purposes, and the one with the cross hair is the actual image stored in the database. It does however look suspicious especially since the crosshair is nicely on the numberplate area, when the cross should be right in the centre of the image.

I think the company in Cape Town that takes care of all speed fines is Syntell. I know it used to be a company called TCS who were responsible for the capturing of the images in the Cape Area.

Its possible that they realised the mistake and edited all the pics afterwards. The "mod" in the filename is a give away that it could have been edited.

No need to take the whole thing to the media as you are just using energy. Just get them to withdraw your fine. But remember this could be a feature of the camera which will leave you with egg on your face.
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Thing is I have 3 different photos then of the same fine? This shouldnt be. The origonal one, the origonal 1 on viewfines (without crossheir and distance) and then the new one on viewfines(with crossheir and distance). Ill look it up but the law states that the picture that is taken has to have all the details about it at the time the picture is taken. Not manually added afterwards. Basically the photo cant be edited in any way or form.
 
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Pyro said:
Just because the data wasn't added onto the photo you saw at first, doesn't mean it wasn't included with the original photo.

Metadata is often stored alongside an image, just because you couldn't see it, doesn't mean it wasn't there.

When they 'reprinted' the photo, an updated rendering engine could render it differently to what it was previously rendered, so that you can clearly see it complies with AARTO regulations.
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All copies of an image that are printed to you in the post must be the original, and must not be altered in any shape or form. If you present photos in court that do not match each other or other pics the prosecutor shows then there is reasonable doubt over the accuracy of all the pictures taken and therefore the fine could be thrown out. Who is to say the two pictures are of the same vehicle and driver if they've been modified?

And the cross hair is in a funny place for a photo, surely it would be in the dead centre of the picture?
 
Farther got a fine (sw aswell) and the image on the fine is void of all details, and theres the mod and fake crosshair nicely on plate aswell, what would the process be?

Even the fines from robot cams have embeded details on the photo on both the fine and on viewfines, so why are these different ?

Who would the complaint be made to? Station master?

Storm
 
andytl5 said:
All copies of an image that are printed to you in the post must be the original, and must not be altered in any shape or form. If you present photos in court that do not match each other or other pics the prosecutor shows then there is reasonable doubt over the accuracy of all the pictures taken and therefore the fine could be thrown out. Who is to say the two pictures are of the same vehicle and driver if they've been modified?

And the cross hair is in a funny place for a photo, surely it would be in the dead centre of the picture?
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It's the information overlaid on the photo, the photo itself is the same, so getting it thrown out is less likely.

I already mentioned the cross-hair logic. Dead centre is great if you're aiming a gun at something or playing an FPS, but it's not neccesary in all equipment. Does your digital camera force you to focus and set exposure to the centre of the shot?
 
Pyro said:
It's the information overlaid on the photo, the photo itself is the same, so getting it thrown out is less likely.

I already mentioned the cross-hair logic. Dead centre is great if you're aiming a gun at something or playing an FPS, but it's not neccesary in all equipment. Does your digital camera force you to focus and set exposure to the centre of the shot?
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The cross hair is being mentioned because it's required by law to be between the two read light clusters when the picture is taken. Simply placing it in a position to make the fine legal is tampering with evidence. The cross hair shows where the laser is being directed onto the car. By applying the cross later basically means that they don't know where the laser was being pointed on the car at the time, but they do it so the make the fine appear legal in a court of law. If I then go to court with a picture with no cross hair on it as shown on the traffic fine which will be regarded as an accurate picture, the fine will be thrown out due to inconsistancy i.e reasonable doubt.
 
Please keep posting here... I'd love to know what happened to your fines.

I got fined R500 for doing 90km/h in a 60 zone the other day on the R300 in Cape Town. Normally it's a 120km/h zone, but there are road works on some sections of the road.

My fine was on a Saturday when there were no people working one the road. And the part where they trapped, was not even in the roadworks section. It was on the old part of the road.

The thing that gets me is that NOBODY drives 60 on the R300. I drive the road every weekday and not even the traffic-orifices drive 60. But the b@stards sit there on a Saturday.
 
andytl5 said:
You can get a copy of the original picture before they changed it on viewfines because exactly the same thing has happened to me.
Basically go view the image get the URL for it and remove the letters 'mod' off the end of the file name
e.g
https://www.viewfines.co.za/webimages/images/12345mod.jpg
change to
https://www.viewfines.co.za/webimages/images/12345.jpg
and you'll have the original
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I did that and also got two different pictures.

PS. The picture on my fine does not have ANY crosshairs or text on. But the one on viewfines has the crosshair, speed, location, date etc.
 
ive got a fine with no cross hair aswell.. then a very "shopped" looking one on the actual fine !

and one with picture on request ? wtf !
 
I've had no response via letter about my complaints, however the fine is on hold, so I assume they are investigating

However, you should visit your nearest traffic dept and lodge a complaint showing them the evidence.
 
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