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r00igev@@r said:
A way to minimise the explosions

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You want to tell me that the guy responsible for blowing up Medupi unit 4 in August 2021 didn't have a checklist?
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I am not saying that checklists can't help, just that it cannot turn dompoes into someone with a reasonable intelligence level.
 
RonSwanson said:
You want to tell me that the guy responsible for blowing up Medupi unit 4 in August 2021 didn't have a checklist?
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I am not saying that checklists can't help, just that it cannot turn dompoes into someone with a reasonable intelligence level.
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"The incident occurred during the activity to displace hydrogen with carbon dioxide and air respectively, for the purposes of finding an external leak," said Eskom spokesperson Sikonathi Mantshantsha. "Following the power station preliminary investigation, it appears that while performing this activity air was introduced into the generator at a point where hydrogen was still present in the generator at sufficient quantities to create an explosive mixture, which ignited and resulted in the explosion."
"It also appears that there was a deviation from the procedure for carrying out this activity."
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The guy who blew up Medupi wasn't using a checklist and that failure of process in on the head of Eskom management and in this case the power station manager directly who should have been suspended. There is an obvious culture in Eskom of flying by the seat of their pants and ignoring checklists.

Checklists saves lives.
 
ADR is a great patriot and has balls. He attempted to curtail corruption but after the Medupi explosion he should have enforced checklists from the CEO level down and he did not.

Imagine if pilots ignored checklists? We don't need to imagine if a power station manager ignores checklists because we can see the results.

@RonSwanson you are suffering from conformation bias.

This is a small simple thing that can be done to mitigate risks and the whole of Eskom has their heads stuck up where the sun don;t shine. Every last one of them from the top down irrespective of coluor or your personal preference of fart detectors.
 
r00igev@@r said:
So there is a red light in this video at the PGE nuclear power station. And those controls look vintage??? Video link:

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Sometimes industrial control systems get used for a long time, design life is usually 20 years. Even then the whole thing may not be discarded and just upgraded where needed. Stuff in the video looks to be from the 70s/early 80's. But there will almost certainly be some upgrade stuff in a cabinet somewhere.
 
RonSwanson said:
You're so funny.

Eskom CEO checklist:
1. Inspect coffee mug for poisoning
2. Leave personalised mug at home
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Again you missed the point. He should be informing the culture of using it.
You conflating the President of an airline versus the pilots.
Look at what ADR did:
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Eskom needs R2.5 billion to fix Medupi power plant after explosion

The utility's generating unit suffered severe damage following an explosion last year.
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Hired more security guards. Then they brought in the army.
As far as I'm concerned when doing maintenance that can blow up a power station, the power station manager should personally double check each step.
They admit to not following checklists and then NEVER confirm any viable remediation. So it's just going to happen again.
 
r00igev@@r said:
Again you missed the point. He should be informing the culture of using it.
You conflating the President of an airline versus the pilots.
Look at what ADR did:
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Eskom needs R2.5 billion to fix Medupi power plant after explosion

The utility's generating unit suffered severe damage following an explosion last year.
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Hired more security guards. Then they brought in the army.
As far as I'm concerned when doing maintenance that can blow up a power station, the power station manager should personally double check each step.
They admit to not following checklists and then NEVER confirm any viable remediation. So it's just going to happen again.
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No, I am not conflating anything. Nor missing any point. It is you who stated:

r00igev@@r said:
he should have enforced checklists from the CEO level down and he did not.
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You are the one conflating what I said, because when you talk about the virtues of checklists, especially for repetitive and monotonous tasks associated with production. you are preaching to the choir. My point was that no matter how many checklists you have, it is still no replacement for a moronic brain.

Furthermore, you twist what Mantshantsha stated into your own narrative, he stated that it was a deviation from the accepted procedure. Although if you ask him the question on whether a checklist was used or not, he would probably deny it because then the dompoes would liable, and we all know that no-one is ever liable at Eskom unless they are white.
 
RonSwanson said:
No, I am not conflating anything. Nor missing any point. It is you who stated:


You are the one conflating what I said, because when you talk about the virtues of checklists, especially for repetitive and monotonous tasks associated with production. you are preaching to the choir. My point was that no matter how many checklists you have, it is still no replacement for a moronic brain.

Furthermore, you twist what Mantshantsha stated into your own narrative, he stated that it was a deviation from the accepted procedure. Although if you ask him the question on whether a checklist was used or not, he would probably deny it because then the dompoes would liable, and we all know that no-one is ever liable at Eskom unless they are white.
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Were Major Ployer ‘Pete’ Hill and co-pilot Donald L. Putt morons?
 

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r00igev@@r said:
Were Major Ployer ‘Pete’ Hill and co-pilot Donald L. Putt morons?
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I am not sure why you are asking me that question. I can only conclude that you are unable to read and comprehend my argument. So here is a checklist for you:

1. Read what someone posted.
2. Think about it, try to comprehend it.
3. If you cannot comprehend it, read it again.
4. Once you comprehend it, then only respond.
 
voxisslowasballs said:
Sometimes industrial control systems get used for a long time, design life is usually 20 years. Even then the whole thing may not be discarded and just upgraded where needed. Stuff in the video looks to be from the 70s/early 80's. But there will almost certainly be some upgrade stuff in a cabinet somewhere.
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Suppose it's like the B52. Are there any pics of the panels somewhere from Medupi.
 
RonSwanson said:
I am not sure why you are asking me that question. I can only conclude that you are unable to read and comprehend my argument. So here is a checklist for you:

1. Read what someone posted.
2. Think about it, try to comprehend it.
3. If you cannot comprehend it, read it again.
4. Once you comprehend it, then only respond.
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The two pilots in questioned would have been alive if they had used checklists.
 
F all that 1 level drop gonna help me.

Power went off last night at 22h00 and never returned.
Guess I have another week of no power
 
Does Eskom have a review board for all these accidents or should that be handled by NERSA?
Are the power station control rooms recorded? Would be easy then conduct reviews.
In the aviation industry the airline is fined for non-compliance and in this case the power generation operator should also be sanctioned if in non-compliance. The reviews should then also be published.
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Checklist Discipline: Avoiding the Simple Stupid Stuff that Kills

Investigators and research have pointed to numerous reasons for lack of compliance with checklist use, but such an approach proves fatal.
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My reading of the act is that either the regulator or Minister can proclimate regulations that would establish a review on major incidents in licenced power generators or distributors that are similar in nature to those used in aviation.
It's not appropriate for Eskom to conduct it's own reviews. These reviews conducted by either NERSA or a seperately established review board reporting to NERSA would direct Eskom to have mandatory corrective actions. An example would be the enforced compliance of checklists and the mandatory recording of operations for forensic analysis.
There is nothing in place and the electricity act caters for this structure to be created.
Bottom line is that there is no evidence of any technical governance oversight of Eskom. Until 15 ago it was running by luck and good fortune on its own technical oversight and it's time to remove that and move it to an independant entity.

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