State capture inquiry begins

Priapus said:
So what does everyone expect this report to amount to?
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Nothing out of the ordinary, arrests, long drawn out prosecutions and the piblic complaining that the NPA is not doing anything while the cases are in courts.

We have a problem with a bottleneck happening at the courts and we need to solve that, we still have pending cases of people arrested a couple of years ago, I honestly don't know how we are going to move forward with the Zondo recommendations if we are still stuck with old cases before courts.
 
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TheChamp said:
Nothing out of the ordinary, arrests, long drawn out prosecutions and the piblic complaining that the NPA os not doing anything while the cases are in courts.

We have a problem with a bottleneck happening at the courts and we need to solve that, we still have pending cases of people arrested a couple of years ago, I honestly don't know how we are going to move forward with the Zondo recommendations if we are still stuck with old cases before courts.
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In addition, I am sure that another bottleneck is with NPA prosecutors before they present the case to courts. Do they have enough prosecutors to investigate & charge criminals by now? I recall initial interviews of Batohi etc about this but don't recall if budget was increased and whether vacancies were filled.
 
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TheChamp said:
Nothing out of the ordinary, arrests, long drawn out prosecutions and the piblic complaining that the NPA os not doing anything while the cases are in courts.

We have a problem with a bottleneck happening at the courts and we need to solve that, we still have pending cases of people arrested a couple of years ago, I honestly don't know how we are going to move forward with the Zondo recommendations if we are still stuck with old cases before courts.
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Beyond just a bottleneck at the courts, we also have a judicial system that seems unable to nip abuse of the judicial process in the bud. People are "allowed" to draw out court proceedings to the nth degree with complete bollocks.

surface said:
In addition, I am sure that another bottleneck is with NPA prosecutors before they present the case to courts. Do they have enough prosecutors to investigate & charge criminals by now? I recall initial interviews of Batohi etc about this but don't recall if budget was increases and whether vacancies were filled.
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The NPA is definitely understaffed in those terms yeah, and I don't think their budget has been increased significantly enough to fill all the gaps yet.
 
Hopefully they flush out ANC/Zupta cadres in PWC and Nkonki inc but I suppose it would be a collective responsibility from these 2 companies with no names identified.

oh..noes. It was that damn oversight again.. she is very clever and always unfortunate - this oversight lady it seems has a name this time - she is Yakhe Kwinana.

"The accountable audit partner accepts responsibility for this regrettable and unfortunate oversight and has accepted a monetary sanction from the IRBA (The Independent Regulatory Board for Auditors)for this unfortunate oversight."
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In late 2014 and early 2015, PWC bid for three tenders with Kwinana & Associates, a firm owned by then-SAA board member Yakhe Kwinana.
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www.news24.com

State capture report slams PWC for failing to identify corruption during SAA looting spree | Business

The State Capture Inquiry report has slammed SAA's former auditors PWC for failing in its duty as a watchdog institution when it audited the books of the flag carrier between 2012 and 2016.
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surface said:
Yip.

WRAP | Zuma's lawyers argue he 'should not be forced to suffer a cooked-up prosecution' | News24

Former president Jacob Zuma's special plea to remove advocate Downer is heard in the KwaZulu-Natal High Court.
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Koen doesn't seem to be entertained by Dali's argument. Zuma lose this one, I am expecting a all new plea which I hope will be shot down by Koen, but then it is likely that a move to have Koen recused will be made.

I have a idea that Zuma and co. wants to swing this back to the ConCourt.
 
How can an "old person" be forced to go through a six month trial before he can appeal, Mpofu asks.
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Odd, né. Not too long ago, Zuma took the position that he is ready to go on trial, and has since this trial was set to begun started to plea. Dali needs to be reminded.

Mpofu now argues that - if Zuma's appeal bid fails and he lodges a "special entry" on questions of law in the case - Koen has no choice but to refer these issues to the Appeal Court.
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Special entry, like in a new plea? This is all going to swing back to the High Court.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I have a idea that Zuma and co. wants to swing this back to the ConCourt.
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for (int EachCrime = 1; EachCrime < infinity; EachCrime++)
{
HighCourt(EachCrime);
SupremeCourt(EachCrime);
ConCourt(EachCrime);
if (CriminalDies) break;

}
 
surface said:
for (int EachCrime = 1; EachCrime < infinity; EachCrime++)
{
HighCourt(EachCrime);
SupremeCourt(EachCrime);
ConCourt(EachCrime);
if (CriminalDies) break;

}
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Mpofu argues that Koen's finding that Zuma's fair trial complaints were best assessed at the end of his trial is deeply "unjust".

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Koen raises concerns about the time that Mpofu has spent on his arguments - given that this appeal application has been set down for one day.

He also recognises that Mpofu has to be somewhere tomorrow - a reference to his role in questioning future Chief Justice candidates for the JSC, Mpofu promises that his fellow Zuma counsel, Thabani Masuku, will be quicker.

We adjourn.
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I am obviously not all that clued up on the nuances of the courts and processes, but at what point do judges just go "Enough, trial NOW!"
 
ToxicBunny said:
I am obviously not all that clued up on the nuances of the courts and processes, but at what point do judges just go "Enough, trial NOW!"
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Technically, it already started. I would hate to see this go to the Appeal Court only to be redirected back to the High Court, and then to be argued all the way to the Constitutional Court only to, again, be redirected back to the High Court. By that time the year should be done.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Technically, it already started. I would hate to see this go to the Appeal Court only to be redirected back to the High Court, and then to be argued all the way to the Constitutional Court only to, again, be redirected back to the High Court. By that time the year should be done.
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For me it needs to be entirely nipped in the bud totally somehow...

As in "No more appeals, special pleas, bollocks-nonsens. Trial date is x and you will present yourself or face contempt of court charges". Finish and Klaar. The abuse of process in our legal system is just sickening.
 
ToxicBunny said:
For me it needs to be entirely nipped in the bud totally somehow...

As in "No more appeals, special pleas, bollocks-nonsens. Trial date is x and you will present yourself or face contempt of court charges". Finish and Klaar. The abuse of process in our legal system is just sickening.
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Going by the News24 wire, it seems that Koen do want this to be nipped, but I am sure that aim will immediately be taken against Koen.
 
ToxicBunny said:
As in "No more appeals, special pleas, bollocks-nonsens. Trial date is x and you will present yourself or face contempt of court charges". Finish and Klaar. The abuse of process in our legal system is just sickening.
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There should really be a limit of appeals on a case, cause this unlimited appeals shite isn't working...
 
PrimeSteak said:
There should really be a limit of appeals on a case, cause this unlimited appeals shite isn't working...
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IIRC, there is an instituted time period, or window, in which you may lodge an appeal, all respective courts have their own rules. Zuma's legal team have used other mechanisms as 'appeals' like recusal applications. At this time, Zuma and co. want to take the appeal to the Appeals Court. The High Court is in the view that the trial must be had, and then Zuma can appeal the outcome unless he wins the case.

Just wait until Thales play their hand ;)
 
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