State capture inquiry begins

Listening to Former National Treasury Director General Lungisa Fuzile testimony... I go from rage to WTF...ebbing and flowing between the two...as he recalls how the Weekend Special Finance Minister and his Indian advisers marched into Treasury....ready to do the Guptas bidding.....**** YOUZuma!
 
surface said:
What I don't understand is if they have evidence about Gordhan's daughter, why don't they open a case? They seem to fight court cases rather frequently so why not another one?

And this looks very personal. If I recall correctly, Malema has so far called Gordhan a dog of WMC, head of Indian cabal, racist and corrupt individual.
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The EFF are dead in the water. It took a few hours to dig up the truth on all their rubbish.

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...ghter-and-why-their-claims-are-bogus-20181122

Edit: oops, just posted the same link as in Vrot's post.
 
surface said:
What I don't understand is if they have evidence about Gordhan's daughter, why don't they open a case? They seem to fight court cases rather frequently so why not another one?

And this looks very personal. If I recall correctly, Julie has so far called Gordhan a dog of WMC, head of Indian cabal, racist and corrupt individual.
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Because they are not too confident, they are banking more on blind support to further their course against Gordhan than facts, they are going to lose votes because of this, it is not too hard for people to see that they are trying too hard this time.
 
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thechamp said:
Because they are not too confident, they are banking more on blind support to further their course against Gordhan than facts, they are going to lose votes because of this, it is not too hard for people to see that they are trying too hard this time.
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Possibly but there is strong hatred of Gordhan exhibited by Malema.

https://ewn.co.za/2018/11/20/malema...record-of-discriminating-against-black-people

Malema says Gordhan has a track record of discriminating against black people in senior positions.

“His shenanigans are not new, today’s he’s gone into all state entities and removed all black excellence because he hates Africans. He doesn’t like African and any African who speak badly to Pravin, he threatens those people.”
 
surface said:
Possibly but there is strong hatred of Gordhan exhibited by Malema.

https://ewn.co.za/2018/11/20/malema...record-of-discriminating-against-black-people

Malema says Gordhan has a track record of discriminating against black people in senior positions.

“His shenanigans are not new, today’s he’s gone into all state entities and removed all black excellence because he hates Africans. He doesn’t like African and any African who speak badly to Pravin, he threatens those people.”
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What is odd is that this seems to be some newlyfound hatred out of the blue, there was a time when the EFF called on South Africans to support Gordhan when Shaun The Sheep was on his case, something happened between then and now that has put the EFF into some panic mode, I know that they are in panic mode because they are being very irrational in their accusations and resoaning, they are even beginning to question the credibility of the whole state capture commission.

Here: https://www.iol.co.za/news/eff-calls-on-sa-to-support-gordhan-defend-democracy-2079445
Johannesburg - The streets of Tshwane will be shutdown on November 2 to defend democracy and stop alleged “state capture” by the controversial Gupta family, the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) said on Thursday.
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Breathtaking testimony about the 'weekend special' takeover: https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...over-van-rooyens-head-ex-treasury-dg-20181122

Former Treasury director general Lungisa Fuzile revealed how Des van Rooyen, who was appointed finance minister by former president Jacob Zuma for a calamitous weekend in December 2015, allegedly arrived at the National Treasury with a pre-appointed adviser.
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"I was taken aback," said Fuzile about the moment when Mohamed Bobat introduced himself as Van Rooyen's adviser ahead of the ill-fated swearing in of South Africa's shortest-serving finance minister.

Fuzile was shocked further when Bobat allegedly gave him instructions.

"I'd require a statement from you to be issued by the minister," the adviser told the director general even before he had a signed contract in place.

"Mr Bobat did not care about protocol and civilities at all. He appeared determined to assert authority over me. He was not bothered that he was not an employee of the department and that his role had never been explained to me by anyone else other than himself," Fuzile told the commission.

"Mr Bobat felt such a sense of authority and empowerment that he could issue instructions to anyone without first checking with the person (the minister-designate) on whose behalf he purported to act. He gave me the impression of being a law unto himself," said Fuzile.
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It was also clear, said Fuzile, that the new minister and his appointed adviser did not really know each other.

"I picked up that Mr Bobat had tried to call Mr Van Rooyen earlier. There was a bit of agitation in Mr Bobat's voice. Quite importantly, Mr Van Rooyen commented that he did not know Mr Bobat's number."

Van Rooyen looked a bit "sheepish" in these interactions, said Fuzile. It later transpired that Bobat worked at Trillian, a financial advisory company owned in part by the Gupta family's lieutenant Salim Essa, who shares numerous business cross-holdings with the family.

Over the two days of Van Rooyen's tenure, Bobat and the other adviser, Ian Whitley, forwarded confidential Treasury documents to Trillian where CEO Eric Wood had already prepared a work plan to take over key aspects of the department's work.
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Bobat's appointment is part of a pattern that is becoming clearer at the Zondo commission of inquiry and shows how alleged state captors used ministerial adviser positions to execute their work.

Last week former public enterprises minister Barbara Hogan revealed that her legal adviser Yunus Shaik, in fact, worked for Zuma.

This week, Gordhan revealed that Senti Thobejane, who was employed as an adviser to former minister of energy Ben Martins was, in fact, Zuma's middleman in his push to secure a nuclear deal with Russia.
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thechamp said:
To be fair to him I don't recall ever seeing him not looking sheepish, he was probably being his usual self that day.
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That in itself is a key issue that this inquiry will have to address. Finance Minsters have to possess authority, and the most important one is the ability to say NO, as Pravin Gordhan testified earlier this week.

Is is possible to have a country run by an ineffective President (as recent history shows), but a a Finance Minster who rubber stamps everything he is told to do, is a short step towards a Venezuela economy.
 
Vrotappel said:
Here is the EFF's 'evidence' on Gordhan's daughter - and why their claims are bogus

This explanation will be lost on the BLEFF.
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https://www.news24.com/Columnists/AdriaanBasson/whos-the-real-bastard-20181122

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The true reason for Malema's erratic outburst would emerge 24 hours later when the Daily Maverick published an exposé that revealed Malema and the EFF were benefitting from money deposited by poor South Africans and municipalities into VBS Mutual Bank.

The story revealed how Malema and his "militant" party allegedly received money for the EFF's birthday celebrations and to pay off a Sandown house Malema lived in with VBS money, funnelled through the business accounts of Malema's cousin and Floyd Shivambu's brother.

If these allegations are proven in a court of law, Malema could go to jail for money laundering and benefitting from the proceeds of crime, among other offences.

Malema and Shivambu deny wrongdoing but have not put up an explanation for the money flows revealed by Daily Maverick.
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Minister Gordhan opens criminal case against Julius Malema

It’s understood the complaints relate to months of public statements made by EFF leader Julius Malema about the minister.

Minister Enterprises Minister Pravin Gordhan has arrived at the Brooklyn Police Station to open criminal cases against EFF leader Julius Malema.
Last week Malema addressed hundreds of EFF supporters outside the Zondo commission of inquiry, where Gordhan had testified, and accused him of enabling state capture.
He also claimed Gordhan’s daughter benefited from multimillion-rand tenders from several government departments.
It’s understood Gordhan is expected to lay three criminal complaints against Malema. The cases are crimen injuria, criminal defamation and incitement to commit violence.
Gordhan’s attorney explained briefly outside the police station that the complaints follow months of sustained attacks on the minister.
The tipping point was on Thursday outside the Zondo commission when Malema called Gordhan corrupt and a “dog of white monopoly capital”.
The minister is expected to comment after opening the cases.

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Downfall of The New Age a sign of white collar state capture says Manyi


The New Age newspaper fell victim to white-collar corporate capture of the state, former Government Communication and Information System (GCIS) head Mzwanele Manyi told the commission of inquiry into state capture on Monday.

During his testimony before the commission — chaired by Deputy Chief Justice Raymond Zondo — Manyi spoke about the 2018 liquidation of the Gupta-linked media entity, explaining that The New Age (TNA) Media had become unpopular for reporting on alleged malfeasance at national treasury.

In August 2017, a company owned by Manyi forked out R450-million to buy TNA Media and ANN7 from Gupta-owned firm Oakbay. In July, Manyi applied for the liquidation of Afro Voice, formerly The New Age newspaper.

Manyi referred to the newspaper’s coverage of treasury’s failed integrated financial management system (IFMS), which reportedly cost government R1.7-billion as evidence of his assertions. An internal audit report which was leaked to the media found that there were extremely poor financial and operating controls for the IFMS project.

It was as though the IMFS project “was on auto-pilot” and within the first six months almost half the project’s budget had been spent, Manyi explained.

After The New Age and ANN7 exposed the IFMS saga, they became unpopular, he said.

Treasury said that it was being unfairly targeted, but TNA Media was telling the truth, Manyi argued
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More at: https://mg.co.za/article/2018-11-26-downfall-of-the-new-age-a-sign-of-white-state-capture-says-manyi
 
Mzwanele Manyi defends govt’s support for TNA newspaper

JOHANNESBURG - Former Government Communication and Information System (GCIS) head Mzwanele Manyi has defended government’s support of then Gupta- owned The New Age (TNA) newspaper, saying at the time there was a media onslaught on government and the paper had a different posture.
Manyi is testifying at the commission on Monday about his tenure at the government communication agency.
He says government also advertised with TNA because it was different to mainstream media.
"At the time government was suffering from a serious media onslaught generally. And the challenge that government has had is to say to the media: we are not saying try to be nice to the government, but try to be balanced in your reporting. The posture of TNA was a complete opposite. It was a posture of saying the glass is half full as opposed to the glass is half empty."
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More at: https://ewn.co.za/2018/11/26/mzwanele-manyi-defends-govt-s-support-for-tna-newspaper
 
Manyi tells inquiry there's no evidence implicating Guptas in state capture

JOHANNESBURG - Former government spokesman Mzwanele "Jimmy" Manyi told the state capture commission of inquiry on Monday, that there is no evidence that the fugitive Gupta family and their associates are implicated in the state capture scandal.


Manyi, who later became the owner of the now-defunct The New Age (TNA) newspaper and ANN7 news channel -- both previously owned by the Guptas -- said he had listened in at the commission and could not find evidence that pointed to the Guptas being at the centre of capturing the State.


Evidence leader Vincent Maleka had asked him if he had reasons to doubt testimonies by ex-deputy minister Mcebisi Jonas, former Treasury director-general Lungile Fuzile, Public Enterprises Minister Pravin Gordhan and Manyi's predecessor at Government Communication and Information System (GCIS), Themba Maseko.


He said he did not listen to ex-finance minister Nhlanhla Nene's evidence, and that he "lost concentration" as Gordhan testified last week.


He however, had doubts about Jonas, Fuzile and Maseko's testimonies.

"Let us start with Maseko... he said the president [Jacob Zuma] told him 'please assist the Guptas'. People interact with ministers as they are the face of departments and with the president as well," Manyi said.

"People go to them when they need something...they do not have an apparatus and the only people they can point them to are the director-generals, who would then point them to processes that need to be followed. I didn't hear Maseko say the president disregarded the process to be followed. I have doubts about what Maseko said."

He said he was "disturbed" by Jonas' evidence.
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More at: https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics...-implicating-guptas-in-state-capture-18273455
 
Manyi attended banks meeting as 'part-time adviser' to mines minister

Mzwanele Manyi said on Monday he had attended an interministerial committee meeting where banks were pressured to reconsider their decision to close bank accounts of Gupta-owned businesses.

Manyi told the state capture inquiry that he was present in his capacity as a "part-time" adviser to then mineral resources minister Mosebenzi Zwane, who chaired the commission.

However, Manyi said he could not remember the details of the meetings.
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More at: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/so...eting-as-part-time-adviser-to-mines-minister/
 
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