Excalibur
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He (and his legal team) were not provided with the questions before hand, which should have happened. Mickey Mouse stuff from the commission.
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Mike Hoxbig
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I would agree if everybody else was afforded that courtesy. Were they?
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..and Carl Niehaus...is in the post day, we gonna win gathering, minus the usual MKV regalia...
ToxicBunny
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No they weren't
daveza
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Carl Niehaus on radio..
Mr Niehaus, you said there were thousands turning up to support Zuma.
Yes, that's correct.
Well I've been outside and there are hardly any at all.
No, they are there....
Where are they because there's nobody outside
.....turned radio off.... this man is beyond contempt.
Mr Niehaus, you said there were thousands turning up to support Zuma.
Yes, that's correct.
Well I've been outside and there are hardly any at all.
No, they are there....
Where are they because there's nobody outside
.....turned radio off.... this man is beyond contempt.
Sideshow Bob
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But I heard J. Zondo advising Zuma that when Adv. Pretorius says page 3, look at page 003? Isn't he helping the proxy ex-president already?
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ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Mind explaining why he should have been presented with a list of questions beforehand? How could the commission know the questions they would ask, when they ask questions that follow on from answers of other questions asked etc...
Sideshow Bob
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I hope so. I haven't seen much of Z commission before but I would have thought Adv. Paul Pretorius (PP) would press alleged King of corruption more than he did today.
I watched a clip where PP asked him if these are the people (PP named all) who were plotting against him and the shyster replied that I never said people that were against him were plotting against him (or something to that effect - difficult to concentrate on his lies really) but that that they were just implementers etc.. I am no lawyer but I would have asked straightaway whether one of these people were implementers and if yes, which ones? And who exactly was behind this.
Considering Z commission hardly sits for 4.5 hours a day, there is hardly any time in my opinion. Maybe it is PP's style to be slow and steady and watch his prey. I have read he is a very accomplished guy so perhaps worth the wait.
Sideshow Bob
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I think Zuma has been extended enough courtesy already considering they didn't chain him already.
NarrowBandFtw
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wrong way around, the whole country was subject to his throbbing helm ... still scrubbing desperately on the floor of the shower in the fetal position
NarrowBandFtw
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Just women, rapists don't care how loose they are ...
Basically he is trying hard to not purger himself. What you will find going forward is more accusations placed where Zuma has to defend himself and the longer he tries, rather they question wherein feigning memory loss makes him complicit, the greater the chance he purgers himself..
while not a full on narcissist like Trump, he will make that mistake when his facade is challenged and he is unable to defend then he will slip up. Once that happens expect him to start throwing people under the bus.
When US realizes what a screw up Trump is, his case will be interesting as classic narcist is quite entertaining vs court & perjury with their deluded view on the world from their perspective.
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TysonRoux
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The dirty racist ANC POS doesn't feel stress.....
Zuma: ‘Stress is a white disease – I don’t feel stress. And, yes, I’ll step down if ANC wants me to’
What President Jacob Zuma does and says are two different things. We know that he will say anything to protect his interests and is working for the benefit of a corrupted clique.
Zuma: ‘Stress is a white disease – I don’t feel stress. And, yes, I’ll step down if ANC wants me to’
What President Jacob Zuma does and says are two different things. We know that he will say anything to protect his interests and is working for the benefit of a corrupted clique.
TheChamp
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He has not felt stress since 2017, why are you getting yourself all worked up on these very old news?
TysonRoux
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TysonRoux
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Zuma’s spy claims are implausible, paranoid, and a red herring
Jacob Zuma, his legal team and his supporters are clearly trying to make this a case of an illegitimate commission versus the persecution of a popular liberation hero.
Former President Jacob Zuma’s introductory remarks before the Zondo Commission on 15 July could not have been more dramatic, even if they had been scripted for a TV soap opera.
Zuma clearly came to the commission with at least three objectives:
To project himself as the victim of an elaborate plot engineered by domestic and foreign intelligence services, going back to the early 1990s, to keep him from gaining or retaining political power.
In this regard, Zuma and his legal team used a number of lines of attack (and attempts at distraction):
Indicating that he was introduced to the Guptas by Essop Pahad — someone who has always been close to former President Thabo Mbeki;
Emphasising his own liberation struggle credentials;
Claiming that a number of assassination attempts on his life had been foiled, including one by a suicide bomber and a poisoning attempt;
Stating that intelligence organisations — one local service during the time of the apartheid government, in cahoots with two unnamed foreign services — had been part of an elaborate conspiracy since 1990 to undermine his political status and influence within the ANC and the government. He referred to the rape case, the arms investigation, his sacking as the country’s deputy president, his removal as president, the focus on his Nkandla residence and the corruption allegations related to the Guptas; and
Alleging that apartheid sources were part of this process, also after 1994, and that a ‘‘local intelligence service’’ (possibly referring to the former National Intelligence Service, NIS, or Military Intelligence) had co-operated with “the US” (possibly referring to intelligence structures/the CIA) to protect these sources and keep them in positions of power.
In his remarks, Zuma did the “unthinkable”, by identifying three alleged apartheid government intelligence sources in the ANC, although he implied the existence of many others, including people still serving in senior positions within the ANC (I have argued in a Daily Maverick article that the identity of former sources/agents should be divulged as part of a “truth and reconciliation process”, in order to prevent this kind of situation, where names are made known selectively and for political reasons).
Jacob Zuma, his legal team and his supporters are clearly trying to make this a case of an illegitimate commission versus the persecution of a popular liberation hero.
Former President Jacob Zuma’s introductory remarks before the Zondo Commission on 15 July could not have been more dramatic, even if they had been scripted for a TV soap opera.
Zuma clearly came to the commission with at least three objectives:
- To undermine the overall legitimacy of the commission, without appearing uncooperative;
To project himself as the victim of an elaborate plot engineered by domestic and foreign intelligence services, going back to the early 1990s, to keep him from gaining or retaining political power.
In this regard, Zuma and his legal team used a number of lines of attack (and attempts at distraction):
- Questioning the initial motivation of the Public Protector (Thuli Madonsela) in recommending the establishment of the commission;
Indicating that he was introduced to the Guptas by Essop Pahad — someone who has always been close to former President Thabo Mbeki;
Emphasising his own liberation struggle credentials;
Claiming that a number of assassination attempts on his life had been foiled, including one by a suicide bomber and a poisoning attempt;
Stating that intelligence organisations — one local service during the time of the apartheid government, in cahoots with two unnamed foreign services — had been part of an elaborate conspiracy since 1990 to undermine his political status and influence within the ANC and the government. He referred to the rape case, the arms investigation, his sacking as the country’s deputy president, his removal as president, the focus on his Nkandla residence and the corruption allegations related to the Guptas; and
Alleging that apartheid sources were part of this process, also after 1994, and that a ‘‘local intelligence service’’ (possibly referring to the former National Intelligence Service, NIS, or Military Intelligence) had co-operated with “the US” (possibly referring to intelligence structures/the CIA) to protect these sources and keep them in positions of power.
In his remarks, Zuma did the “unthinkable”, by identifying three alleged apartheid government intelligence sources in the ANC, although he implied the existence of many others, including people still serving in senior positions within the ANC (I have argued in a Daily Maverick article that the identity of former sources/agents should be divulged as part of a “truth and reconciliation process”, in order to prevent this kind of situation, where names are made known selectively and for political reasons).
Will Zuma be giving testimony again today?
I can't wait for him to spill the beans. Many forgot he was head of the intelligence arm and probably over the years continued to operate in that manner.
He has dirt on everything.
I can't wait for him to spill the beans. Many forgot he was head of the intelligence arm and probably over the years continued to operate in that manner.
He has dirt on everything.
TheChamp
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Accusing someone of being a spy is very easy, sure many of his supporters are looking forward to that, but as we have seen yesterday that Pretorius has found a way to align him back into relevance, my favourite part was when he read him all the names of the people who testified against him and tell the commission the names of those who are out to get him, suddenly things were not as easy as telling tales. That is what I am looking forward to.
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I cant help but wonder whether JZ will be required to prove his spy allegations.
To me it all seems like smoke and mirrors to try abd divert the attention from him.
Also amusing how he still uses apartheid and mysterious "third forces"... Wonder how long he spent on revising the handbook Bell potty mouth gave them.
To me it all seems like smoke and mirrors to try abd divert the attention from him.
Also amusing how he still uses apartheid and mysterious "third forces"... Wonder how long he spent on revising the handbook Bell potty mouth gave them.
