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Bageloo said:
"Awulethu umshini wami" - literally translated "bring my machine(gun)"
The song loops around those same words over and over again.
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Ah. Those were the only words I ever saw translated. Thought it was just the press being sensationalistic. Guess not.

Bageloo said:
what attitude axactly...? Maybe I will be ashamed once you have explained.
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"Bring me my machine gun" sounds like a pretty clear threat of violence. Singing the tune implies support for violence and/or a certain public figure who most on this forum agree would make a terrible leader...
 
Leitmotif said:
Ah. Those were the only words I ever saw translated. Thought it was just the press being sensationalistic. Guess not.



"Bring me my machine gun" sounds like a pretty clear threat of violence. Singing the tune implies support for violence and/or a certain public figure who most on this forum agree would make a terrible leader...
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Now that's terrible thing to assume about a person. I'm a peace loving individual therefore would never support violence or any political leader. I remain politically independant.
I was just hinting at what the previous post had insinuated...
 
Nkosi sikelele i'Afrika was for a long time thought to be a 'terrorist' song, I remember with what vigour we sang it in community halls in defiance of the Police before they threw in the teargas canisters -

yet all the song says is God bless Afrika -

It's a wonder why Shosholoza got taken up so well, also deemed a 'terrorist' song by some for a while

same with mshini wam
 
xtermin8or said:
Nkosi sikelele i'Afrika was for a long time thought to be a 'terrorist' song, I remember with what vigour we sang it in community halls in defiance of the Police before they threw in the teargas canisters -

yet all the song says is God bless Afrika -

It's a wonder why Shosholoza got taken up so well, also deemed a 'terrorist' song by some for a while

same with mshini wam
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Maybe it is something to do or having something in common with terrorists. :D (You Asked)
 
xtermin8or said:
Nkosi sikelele i'Afrika was for a long time thought to be a 'terrorist' song,

It's a wonder why Shosholoza got taken up so well, also deemed a 'terrorist' song by some for a while

same with mshini wam
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Neither of the aforementioned songs mention weapons, particularly fully automatic weapons. It's not the same. Connotations of violence make the difference.
 
have you ever heard when workers go on strike - they sing songs loaded with connotations of violence - like when they go 'ta ta ta' it's the sound of an AK-47

but it doesn't mean they intend pulling out AK's and going mad
 
xtermin8or said:
have you ever heard when workers go on strike - they sing songs loaded with connotations of violence - like when they go 'ta ta ta' it's the sound of an AK-47

but it doesn't mean they intend pulling out AK's and going mad
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Well looking at some recent strike violence that argument does not hold any truth, due to incitement. So in the same light then when someone says something on this forum it does not mean that he will do it, does it?
 
I've had this argument before and don't want to get into it again, save to say most strikes in this country go ahead very peacefully with no incidents - the ones you are thinking about - security guards - grabbed headlines exactly because of that - it was out of the ordinary
 
NewsFlash said:
Well looking at some recent strike violence that argument does not hold any truth, due to incitement. So in the same light then when someone says something on this forum it does not mean that he will do it, does it?
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won't u please relax dude. these songs are sung even in times of celebrations and merryment. it's just a song and like most songs, it is sung mostly for enjoyment. africans like to sing and dance just for the hell of it. just like the rap songs talk about mother****ers, bitches, drugs, crime. the aim is never really to incite violence or hatred or anything. it's just for enjoyment and to make some maney as well.
 
Bageloo said:
won't u please relax dude. these songs are sung even in times of celebrations and merryment. it's just a song and like most songs, it is sung mostly for enjoyment. africans like to sing and dance just for the hell of it. just like the rap songs talk about mother****ers, bitches, drugs, crime. the aim is never really to incite violence or hatred or anything. it's just for enjoyment and to make some maney as well.
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Why the double standard?

... confuses people over what exactly hate speech is and it reinforces racist stereotypes.

... Everyone can benefit from a country free of hate speech.

End This Double Standard
 
Bageloo said:
How is "bring my machine(gun)" hate speech ??? How does this reinforce racist stereotypes?
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If I have to explain it to you an explanation will probably do no good.

Is a machine gun a tool of peace?
Is a machine gun a tool of reconciliation?
Does the term foster peace or war?
Does it build harmony or disharmony?

Does it build togetherness or separateness?

Which is more conducive to racial harmony? Words of war or words of peace? What be these? Therefore they be hate speech.

Simple really.
 
Bageloo said:
won't u please relax dude. these songs are sung even in times of celebrations and merryment. it's just a song and like most songs, it is sung mostly for enjoyment. africans like to sing and dance just for the hell of it. just like the rap songs talk about mother****ers, bitches, drugs, crime. the aim is never really to incite violence or hatred or anything. it's just for enjoyment and to make some maney as well.
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You live in an dreamworld dude. With the recent violence in the Cape at strikes the exact songs were sung before the violence erupted.

The double standards is when someone post something trivial, even in a joke, he is either labeled a racist, fascist or whatever these goons may dream up. But I guess that what racist Troll's do. I also listen to Eminem too and the least he's trying to achieve is flame on racist attitudes. :D
 
kilo39 said:
If I have to explain it to you an explanation will probably do no good.

Is a machine gun a tool of peace?
Is a machine gun a tool of reconciliation?
Does the term foster peace or war?
Does it build harmony or disharmony?

Does it build togetherness or separateness?

Which is more conducive to racial harmony? Words of war or words of peace? What be these? Therefore they be hate speech.

Simple really.
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I own a gun. It's neither a tool for peace nor reconciliation. If I say "bring my gun" I mean just that. There is no hate speech in it. However if I said bring my gun so I can shoot the boere/kaffirs, now that's racist hate speech! There has been a rendition of the song and it's playing on the airwaves. If it was hatespeech, it would have been banned like all songs with inapropriate contents.
 
Brenden_E said:
Serious? Either you're acting really coy, or you don't know as much as you make yourself out to know.
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No one can possibly know everything (you included). So tell me what is a bus pass? I've honestly never heard of that.
 
Bageloo said:
I own a gun. It's neither a tool for peace nor reconciliation. If I say "bring my gun" I mean just that. There is no hate speech in it. However if I said bring my gun so I can shoot the boere/kaffirs, now that's racist hate speech! There has been a rendition of the song and it's playing on the airwaves. If it was hatespeech, it would have been banned like all songs with inapropriate contents.
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Many words need never be spoken, a symbol is enough. This is the sign whether words are spoken or not. The fact it is played on the airwaves (I have never heard it, besides news,) is not a compelling reason to decide what is hate speech or not. As you readily admit/agree "it's neither a tool for peace nor reconciliation" therefore why reinforce negative stereotypes. A man in Zoooomas position should know better therefore why is he doing it? To promote togetherness or division. Hate speech is that no matter how it is presented (or disguised.) He is sowing division, ie, hate. Ergo, it is hate speech.
 
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