Static IP & Other Business options

[MidnightWizard]

Hi ,

I am in the process of putting a small home Cisco Lab together. Up to about CCNP level to teach myself Cisco -- Routing -- Networking -- Communication

Most of the hardware is almost in place and now I am looking for the other side of the equation -- getting it connected.

I will be able to use all of the communication connection technologies. I need to do this in order to run through all of the content which is part of the coursework -- but I have a very limited budget.
I might just need some for short times for testing and learning. ( A lot of stuff can be done in-house using the correct cabling )

I have used ISDN and ADSL and WiFi -- Fairly easy to get installed , straight forward , and relatively inexpensive.

Analogue leased line is old and like Diginet means a dedicated leased line = more expensive = more hassle. ( Maybe I am completely wrong )

As part of the learning process I would like think about setting up a webserver , mail server , dial-in access server , VPN's etc.

So I am looking for a Telecoms provider that would be able to give me the necessary connection options - two maybe three static IP's ,
ONE log in for all the different connection options. Itemised and consolidated billing on a per use basis. ( I do not want to pay for a months Diginet just for a few days of testing )

I guess a way to share the load is to make a "co-op" or "cyber-cafe" but it seems unfair to ask people for money when you are still learning.


Anybody out there got any ideas ???????


Thanks


MW

 

[ITbob]

try Verizon Business

 

[rwenzori]

So I am looking for a Telecoms provider that would be able to give me the necessary connection options - two maybe three static IP's ,
ONE log in for all the different connection options. Itemised and consolidated billing on a per use basis. ( I do not want to pay for a months Diginet just for a few days of testing )

I'm not quite sure what you mean by the highlighted bits - you presumably aren't looking for a single account that gives you wifi, diginet, adsl, isdn for cheap - if so dream on? On straight adsl, the IS uncapped business will give you a few static IPs, but not "per use".

 

[MidnightWizard]

Verizon Business

For ITBob .....

Thanks for your suggestion. I emailed Verizon Support and this is what I got back
[ Sorry it never worked out ]


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On 10 Feb 2009 at 14:10, Verizon Business Support Team wrote:

> Good day

> Try downloading free cisco sims from the below website.

> http://www.gns3.net/

> Thank you

> Regards,

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This is how I replied



Hi ,

What sort of useless answer is this ????

I have already invested in the actual physical Cisco equipment. ALL of the Internationally recognised Cisco trainers advise against using 'sims"

If this is your approach to an honest sensible request thank G*D I am NOT doing business with you

Good Day

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For rwenzori

Telkom have a deal called something like "Total-Access" which will give you something similar to what I originally asked about.

I am not in the Telecoms business so do not know everything that is out there.
I am testing the waters hoping that someone more informed than myself can help me out and suggest something approaching a solution.

OR -- are they all so bottom line orientated that they are not interested in helping the "little-guy" any more ????


MW

 

[rwenzori]

Telkom have a deal called something like "Total-Access" which will give you something similar to what I originally asked about.

I am not in the Telecoms business so do not know everything that is out there.
I am testing the waters hoping that someone more informed than myself can help me out and suggest something approaching a solution.

OR -- are they all so bottom line orientated that they are not interested in helping the "little-guy" any more ????


MW

I think you'll find the latter to be sadly true. Why not call and ask? I feel quite sure that the moment you start talking diginet, you are in for a monthly leased line, for starters, but see what they have to say. Maybe also give IS a call. Another idea is to call DiData - you might be able to wangle hiring some of their facilities if you can plead a sob-story.

I know they one owns the other, but they still traded independently last I saw.

 

[MidnightWizard]

Update

I think you'll find the latter to be sadly true. Why not call and ask? I feel quite sure that the moment you start talking diginet, you are in for a monthly leased line, for starters, but see what they have to say.

No more "Diginet" it is now called MATIS.
But yes a leased line -- which I used to think was costed on distance
but now see is costed on throughput.

Maybe also give IS a call. Another idea is to call DiData - you might be able to wangle hiring some of their facilities if you can plead a sob-story.
I know they one owns the other, but they still traded independently last I saw.

I spoke with the people at Telkom ........

One can obtain a VPN using ADSL -- Telkom & IS and I think MWEB business will supply you with the whole setup including the Cisco routers as well as static IP's.
Not really what I am looking for but a start. Trick is -- you need TWO ADSL accounts ( so I am told ) one on both ends. Both going into the TELCO central point.
Makes MATIS look better ?? But I suppose a cost premium again ??

WHERE is this so-called *&^(*^()(_ CHEAP bandwidth

It looks like i am going to have to setup TWO sites with my own equipment at both ends.
One does still however need the "wire-in-the-middle" ( even for Frame-Relay) which I understood to be a LOT less expensive.
Unless I can find a "friend" as you mentioned. What the heck -- a DSL wireless access point looks like a way to recover costs.
( I suppose that there is legislation about that ????) WHAT is a poor boy to do <sad> <sad> <sad>


BTW -- VERIZON see here

BLACK WIDOW WEB

Anybody remember JAY NAIDOO darling of the ANC

Look up VERIZON SA Jayendra Naidoo Director


MW

 

[Amida]

You don't really need all of the connections to do your CCNP. I would suggest just get a ADSL line for VPN testing ect. You can dial more then 1 PPP connection on a ADSL line so you can have incoming and outgoing connections on the 1 ADSL.

 

[MidnightWizard]

CCNP --ADSL

You don't really need all of the connections to do your CCNP. I would suggest just get a ADSL line for VPN testing ect. You can dial more then 1 PPP connection on a ADSL line so you can have incoming and outgoing connections on the 1 ADSL.

Thanks for heads up --

Excuse dumbo here , Please can you explain how you do this -- I always thought that ADSL was Point to Point & not point to multipoint

PPP is an encapsulation that you run on a number of different connection types -- but as I understand it , it is where the WIRES go

As they said about ROME -- In SA ALL wires lead to TELKOM

I am not sure if Telkom know about this -- at least they never mentioned it to me.


ISDN is point to multipoint where you can dial in to any other ISDN connection.

For Frame Relay you still need a point to point into the Telco "cloud"

Maybe I am all confused


MW

 

[MidnightWizard]

Telkom VPN Lite

You don't really need all of the connections to do your CCNP. I would suggest just get a ADSL line for VPN testing ect. You can dial more then 1 PPP connection on a ADSL line so you can have incoming and outgoing connections on the 1 ADSL.

Hi ,

Is this what you are refering to ?

TELKOM VPN Lite

Looks interesting


MW

 

[Amida]

Hi ,

Is this what you are refering to ?

TELKOM VPN Lite

Looks interesting


MW

Telkom VPN lite is used to connect 2 offices via a VPN. It's basically for people that doesn't know how to setup their own VPN.

What I'm talking about is to a 4 port router and configure it in bridge mode. Then you can connect your Cisco routers to the ethernet ports of the router and all of them can dial out via PPP. With this you can basically have a endless supply of Public IP addresses to do testing with.

Also you said you only want to test now and then this means that static IP is also not necessary.

 

[MidnightWizard]

VPN's and Routing

Telkom VPN lite is used to connect 2 offices via a VPN. It's basically for people that doesn't know how to setup their own VPN.

True -- but there are options.
I think that there is quite a bit of self-configuring you can do.

What I'm talking about is to a 4 port router and configure it in bridge mode. Then you can connect your Cisco routers to the ethernet ports of the router and all of them can dial out via PPP. With this you can basically have a endless supply of Public IP addresses to do testing with.

OK -- IF I am following correctly -- on say the 877 with the right IOS

1.) One can set up VPN's. Not sure yet how these work and how this way of doing things would be different to 2 below confused:
I think that you can also set up VLAN's and connect these to a VPN / 's .
I do not know if you would be able to use the VPN's set on the single router to apply multiple routes out to the WAN
I am undestanding that this is the way the TELKOM VPN Lite works.

2.) One bridges the ADSL port to the four FE ports and then connects four other routers via their Ethernet ports to these four FE ports allowing them to access the WAN via the ADSL router.
The ONE router that is connected to the Telkom line. ie one is setting up routing between the "unconnected" routers and the "connected" router.

You then have to have something on the other side to connect to Telkom ISP

Also you said you only want to test now and then this means that static IP is also not necessary.

True -- but necessary if I decide I would like to try and set up a Mail Server / Web Server and not use DynDNS. ( Why stop halfway )

IF this is going to cost an arm and a leg -- I have to find a way of at least getting an arm back


MW