Surge protecting a router

westom

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Where is any specification number that claims that protects from destructive surges? None exist. It does claim to protect from near zero surges - that are already made irrelevant by what exists inside appliances.

A protector adjacent to any appliance must either 'block' that current or 'absorb' that energy. How does its 2 cm part 'block' what three kilometers of sky could not? It doesn't. How does its undefined 'absorber' circuit dissipate hundreds of thousands of joules. How curious. It avoids discussing absorption of energy. So what exactly does it do other than enrich its manufacturer?

A surge is a destructive current. Either that current is 'blocked' resulting in a higher voltage so that the current will blow through to earth ground. Or that current connects harmlessly to something outside where hundreds of thousands of joules harmlessly dissipate in earth. That clearline protector has no low impedance (ie less than 3 meter) connection to earth. It does not even discuss what must 'absorb' hundreds of thousands of joules. It only claims to protect from a type of surge that is already made irrelevant by what is already inside all appliances.

Protection is always about where hundreds of thousands of joules are harmlessly absorbed. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. That clearline protector has no dedicated wire for the essential low impedance (ie less than 3 meter) connection to an earthing electrode. That clearline protector will not even discuss earth ground ... because it is for another type of surge that is typically not destructive.
 

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Where is any specification number that claims that protects from destructive surges? None exist. It does claim to protect from near zero surges - that are already made irrelevant by what exists inside appliances.

A protector adjacent to any appliance must either 'block' that current or 'absorb' that energy. How does its 2 cm part 'block' what three kilometers of sky could not? It doesn't. How does its undefined 'absorber' circuit dissipate hundreds of thousands of joules. How curious. It avoids discussing absorption of energy. So what exactly does it do other than enrich its manufacturer?

A surge is a destructive current. Either that current is 'blocked' resulting in a higher voltage so that the current will blow through to earth ground. Or that current connects harmlessly to something outside where hundreds of thousands of joules harmlessly dissipate in earth. That clearline protector has no low impedance (ie less than 3 meter) connection to earth. It does not even discuss what must 'absorb' hundreds of thousands of joules. It only claims to protect from a type of surge that is already made irrelevant by what is already inside all appliances.

Protection is always about where hundreds of thousands of joules are harmlessly absorbed. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. That clearline protector has no dedicated wire for the essential low impedance (ie less than 3 meter) connection to an earthing electrode. That clearline protector will not even discuss earth ground ... because it is for another type of surge that is typically not destructive.

http://www.clearline.co.za/sites/default/files/specsheets/12-00713.pdf
It's better than what I currently have.

AC - > pc
 
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westom

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If a properly earthed 'whole house' protector does not exist, then that adjacent protector may even compromise robust protection that is already inside each appliance. It can give a surge even more destructive paths inside a computer. Some paths may bypass protection inside a PSU.

Effective (and many times less expensive) protection means a low impedance (ie less than 3 meter) connection to earth exists. No earth ground means no effective protection - other than robust protection that is already inside each electronic appliance.
 
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SarelSeemonster

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I've tried a few Clearline protection plugs in the past and they were all useless. The last one was fried along with my ADSL router and the on-board LAN port on my motherboard it was connected to. Both the router's power plug and the telephone line were connected to the Clearline plug, but it didn't help. I've never had a UPS.

In my experience, the best protection is still to unplug equipment well in advance of an approaching storm. Since there won't always be someone around to do so it's obviously impractical but with that in mind, have a look at the Astraphobe Lightning Protection System:

http://www.takealot.com/astraphobe-lightning-protection-system/PLID34169960
http://www.techsmart.co.za/lifestyle/appliances/Astraphobe-Lightning-Protection-system.html

Here's a thread about it on MyBB: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...-DSL-lightning-protection-has-anyone-tried-it
 

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A surge arrester connected to a device is simply a fast switch which provides a path for the surge current to flow past the device that we are trying to protect. The surge arrester does not “absorb” the surge current.

A well designed and installed surge arrester will “short” the inputs and outputs of the equipment for the duration of the applied surge and pass the currents to ground. Due to the fast wave front of the surge, a huge voltage drop will occur in the earth lead due to the earth lead’s inductance and the protected equipment will rise to a high potential for the surge duration. As long as all inputs and outputs are “tied” together there will be no current flow between these ports and no damage will occur. One can imagine an aeroplane being struck by lightning. The surge current may enter on the tail and exit on the wing but the plane keeps on flying unaffected. All the equipment has surge protection fitted but tied to a common “surge potential platform” which prevents current flow between inputs and outputs under surge conditions. Aeroplanes are not fitted with earth conductors and earth spikes to ground yet can fly around safely.

Ive been using Clearline Products for over 10 years. I've been recommending them to my clients. Ive seen huge amounts of damage by lightning, and only the Clearline protected units surviving. I know they have a loyal client base ...im one of them. I do resell there products, but im not punting them here to you. I've only once had a client of mine gain damage while connected to one of there units (although I dont believe the client isolated his connections) and Clearline replaced all his equipment as per there warranty.

Other than Clearline's units, what other surge protection multiplugs have you found work well?

If I understand the Astrophobe thing correctly.... means it disconnects my connection during a lightning storm. So im off-line?
 

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Lighting struck me while playing Dota 2, I lost my pc and router. I got a Ellies Surge Safe Tel Combo. Try Hi-Fi Corp.
 

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A well designed and installed surge arrester will “short” the inputs and outputs of the equipment for the duration of the applied surge and pass the currents to ground.
To 'short' currents to ground means ALL connections. Shorting must be to every electrical conductor including wall paint, desk, and even anything a mouse cable, ethernet, or human might touch. An entire room must be 'shorted'.

Adjacent protectors do not claim to protect from destructive surges. It is virtually impossible (or extremely expensive) to 'short' everything together. Or that must be done when the room is constructed.

Same 'shorting; is accomplished easily if a protector connects every incoming wire to ground where all wires enter the building. Then an entire building, in essence, is 'shorted' to earth.

Ground on a receptacle clearly is not earth ground. Impedance makes that obvious. A 'shunt to earth' must be before a potentially destructive current enters. That is how it was done over 100 years ago anywhere that surge damage could not happen. That is what effective protectors have done all over the world for over 100 years.

A product sold in Singapore, that successfully does this Astrophobe type protection, disconnects a phone line when lightning is detected. But also connects lightning low impedance (ie less than 3 meters) to earth ground. Earth ground does the protection. Since protection is always about where hundreds of thousands of joules dissipate. Even all phone conversations and internet connections are not interrupted since a disconnect and connection to earth need only be milliseconds. (spipie - unlike Astrophobe, your conversation is not interrupted.) Then no surge current enters. But that means a disconnecting/connecting switch must be on a first floor or basement so that the phone line can connect low impedance (ie less than 3 meters) to the single point earth ground. Since protection is always defined by what harmlessly absorbs hundreds of thousands of joules - earth ground. And the low impedance (ie wire has no sharp bends) connection. Always.

Disconnecting without making a low impedance (ie less than 3 meter) connection to single point earth ground was never effective protection. Plug-in protectors or the Astrophobe do not claim to provide effective protection. Neither will discuss where hundreds of thousands of joules are harmlessly absorbed. Effective solution proven by over 100 years of science, experience, and even Ben Franklin's lightning rod in 1752 - a protector is only as effective as its earth ground.

An essential part of that protection is separation between protector and appliance. Since a long wire (ie 10+ meters) between protector and appliance is increased impedance - increases protection. Of course, if a connection to earth does not exist, then that increased impedance does virtually no protection. If a surge is properly earthed BEFORE entering a building, then long wires inside effectively increase protection. That is only when *the* most critical component in every protection system - single point earth ground - is implemented. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. That has never changed no matter what 'magic box' providers claim.

So that everything inside the room (including wall paint, desktop, and human) is part of the protection system. Then that surge current must be connected to single point earth ground BEFORE entering a building. A protector (all of them) are only as effective as the one item that actually does the protection - that actually absorbs hundreds of thousands of joules - single point earth ground. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. That has never changed.

Protection even from direct lightning strikes has been so well proven and so effective that damage is often traceable to human mistake.
 
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Get a router power adapter that has a earth plug and a built in protector.
 

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Get a router power adapter that has a earth plug and a built in protector.

Again, that wall receptacle safety ground is not earth ground. Also made obvious by its high impedance (ie wire connection to earth is greater than 3 meters). Protectors too close to appliances and too far from earth ground can even make appliance damage easier.
 
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I had a surge protection device fitted to the input of my mains board to our house. Will this provide sufficient protection?
 

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I had a surge protection device fitted to the input of my mains board to our house. Will this provide sufficient protection?

If properly earthed, this will provide maybe 99.5% to 99.9% of the protection inside a house. But again, how it is earthed is most critical.
 

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I had a surge protection device fitted to the input of my mains board to our house. Will this provide sufficient protection?

There are two things we need to know before anyone can say anything about how well or otherwise the protection is:

(1) Has your setup been inspected and do you have a Certificate of Compliance for your electrical installation? 3 phase or single phase?
Do you know where the "earth" for your house is? Is it visible on the outside of the house?


(2) What exactly was installed on your mains distribution board and does it comply with the standards laid down by the SABS?

A photo of what was installed would help a lot.
 
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