Teacher Pushed too far

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I am a parent and a believer of "spare the rod spoil the child" If we as parents ensure our children are ready for the outside world.

1. Well mannered.
2. Disciplined

Incidents like this will never happen. Teachers are there to teach the school syllabus NOT teach discipline. I am not justifying what happened here just saying Parents do the ground work and this will not happen.

 
Nottingham Crown Court heard how pupils at All Saints Roman Catholic School in Mansfield had targeted Harvey because they knew he had been off work for four months with stress and depression.

Sounds about right, you want to push a person to the point of snapping then be ready when you have pushed them so far that they snap. Glad he never got a prison sentence. You can be damn sure that boy will never taunt someone to the point of snapping again.

Spare the dumb bell, spoil the child is more like it. Parents see their kids possibly less than a school so why shouldn't schools teach them discipline? Some don't get it at home and now they don't get it at school.
 
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everyone knows that the kids in britain are a bunch of hooligans. they have no respect even for their parents. and the blame must be put entirely on the social system. they with their big mouths about not allowing even the parent to discipline their own child. all over their are such things called child line, what about a system such as parent lines?
 
everyone knows that the kids in britain are a bunch of hooligans. they have no respect even for their parents. and the blame must be put entirely on the social system. they with their big mouths about not allowing even the parent to discipline their own child. all over their are such things called child line, what about a system such as parent lines?

I think if more teachers beat kids with a dumbbell it might help :D.

All this talking is a bunch of crap, bring back the old school ways and stop this spoil the kid nonsense.
 
I'll add a me too !

Sooner or later though we'll have someone complaining about teacher brutality blah blah.

The little sh^t got what was coming to him and he won't try be such a ' main man ' again.
 
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Why only hit him with a 3kg dumbbell? He should have shoved it down the brat's throat.

I'm glad the teacher was exonerated; pity he has not been allowed to take an early retirement although I think he will win his appeal on that account.
 
Why don't he go teach older people like english classes or something won't have problems there?
 
A child deserves fair justice just as any other person does, they deserve to be trailed as an adult (of course it should be feasible and as unbaised as possible). Forcing your beliefs on your children when they have not elected you as mommie, makes you a tyrant. yes that may sound a bit unusual from what you were already brought up to believe, however it's only through this way where the child will truly be treated fairly, know his rights, and learn right from wrong, and not simply be forced to do everything. Why not hit your child for not eating his food too, or not wanting to go with you to church... no body should have the right to hit a child, any child, but also never to forget, that this doesn't at all rule out justice and punishment.

Maybe you should be trailed behind a couple of horses :D
 
everyone knows that the kids in britain are a bunch of hooligans. they have no respect even for their parents. and the blame must be put entirely on the social system. they with their big mouths about not allowing even the parent to discipline their own child. all over their are such things called child line, what about a system such as parent lines?

13 years of Labour rule does this to a society
 
@Phenom - you're arguing that one should treat a child as an adult!? Do you have kids? Have you ever worked with kids? Have you ever tried logically trying to convince a child of the beneficial qualities of pumpkin or coleslaw, or are you willing to maturely argue with your child that owning a razor sharp Katana at the age of 5 is not necessarily a good idea?

A child is developing cognition. We humans are unfortunately not born with it fully developed. I believe that a Katana is a bad idea for my 5-year old, and I will force that believe on him no matter how much he argues about it. An adult has free choice and hopefully the responsibility to own a long piece of sharpened steel - a child does not yet have that responsibility and (hopefully) his parents are wise enough not to grant him that free choice. Call me a tyrant then, but a tyrant on behalf of that very same child I "oppress".

I don't agree with dumbbell punishment at all. Though I do have sympathy for the teacher, I cannot in any way condone what he has done. To damage a child is simply not acceptable in any way, be it physically, emotionally or in another way. But I am in favour of physical punishment at the right time and in the right measure. Thing is, I haven't yet seen something that works as well in instilling a sense of responsibility into a child.

I think my father had the perfect approach. (By lack of a better word I'll call a "pak slae" a "beating", terrible though it might sound!)
He only beat me about two times, ever. But I always knew that he's not only threatening, he WILL do what he says. The times when I did receive a beating, he made sure that he wait long enough that he is no longer angry at me when he dishes out the punishment. That gave him the ability to be very objective about the punishment. He also made sure to let me know that I'm being punished for what I did, and not because he doesn't love me. As for the punishment itself, he never went over the top. To be honest, his disappointment in me always hurt more than the punishment itself. He also made sure that once the punishment is over, the matter is closed. I've done the time for the crime, and now it's over. The relationship never suffered because of the punishment.

But more importantly, he made sure to spend enough time with us kids. He never went to bed angry at us, and he always put his family before his job or anything else.

The greatest problem with physical punishment is that many parents see it as either a no-go, or as the only way of teaching discipline. In reality it is simply a tool, one of many, which should be applied with great care, and only after very carefully considering the situation.

*aggh, anyone agree that there should be licenses for having children? The more I type the more I realize how intensely complex the whole subject is.*

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Maybe I should delete the whole post - there's a great difference between "trialling" and "treating" a child as an adult! With trialling I can actually agree. Sorry, phenom, from the context I thought you meant "treating".
 
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I don't agree with dumbbell punishment at all. Though I do have sympathy for the teacher, I cannot in any way condone what he has done. To damage a child is simply not acceptable in any way, be it physically, emotionally or in another way.

Normally I would agree that bashing a snotlap with a heavy weight is not a good thing.

But if you read the whole story of what happened I might have done the same thing in the same circumstances.

These little toerags deliberately set out to provoke someone who they knew was under a fair amount of stress and planned to film the results on their cellphones.

The little darling who got his face bashed in told the teacher to go f!@# himself with the rest of the class egging him on.

The rest is history.

Before this incident the teacher had an impeccable record and was well liked and respected.

One push too far.
 
One push too far.

Yep, but if we start agreeing with dumbbell punishment, where do we draw the line? The teacher snapped, and so I have sympathy for him. But "snapped" is not normal behaviour. If we agree with dumbbell punishment in principal, then we agree with it being applied by teachers in general.

Ultimately I feel the ones more deserving of a dumbbell or two in this matter are either the parents who just don't teach their kids rights or wrong, or the government who leaves the parents with no effective form of punishment. Or maybe with those who abused physical punishment causing it to become such a dangerous concept. Again, a murky place to tread.

And in his shoes, I might have snapped as well. I hope I wouldn't, but who knows.
 
Teacher don't need to use force, we only need the threat of force. And of course for this to work we just need one or two cretins to act as an example.
 
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