Teaching coding from the Metal Up or from the Glass*Back?

[[)roi(]]

It's a waste tbh.
I went to a public high school before the CAPS curriculum introduction.

Waste? Which the school or university 1st year?
Plus in what way is it a waste?

 

[DA-LION-619]

Waste? Which the school or university 1st year?
Plus in what way is it a waste?

You're covering the same concepts at first year university that you've done in school.

I understand that some people wouldn't have done it, but those that did should have just been given the module credit.

 

[Randy_The_Squirrel]

As somebody who worked for BBD, you're talking rubbish.

I cannot post the whole story here, but if you want the details, hit "Private Message"
They never got around to interviewing me, because twice they sent me round the mulberry bush. Unprofessional bunch to the highest degree.

Just a bit of advice, just because its not true in your papework fairy land, doesn't mean it didn't happen or it was not true, or "rubbish" as you eloquently state. Go find someone else to hurl personal attacks at.

I am reasonably sure of success in the position I am applying for, and then, we will see what you have to say a year from now.

 

[Messugga]

As somebody who worked for BBD, you're talking rubbish. They regularly hire juniors, run mentorship programs and even have a former teacher and a former rugby player working for them - coding (one actually became an exec).

If you advertise yourself as a senior developer though you will be expected to answer senior developer questions. BBD's interview process starts with a technical test in the language you are applying for (C#, Java, Python etc) which really isn't difficult. If you score high enough you get an actual face to face interview. There are no compsci questions in that technical test at all so stop talking k*k.

Can't speak for Derivico but Entelect is quite adamant that you need a Bsc to have the privilege to work for them (when it suits them anyway).

You can always go try your luck at DVT.

Can confirm. I've seen a couple of Entelect specs went to recruiters recently, and they very clearly mention to the recruiter that "the usual degree requirements" are in place.

 

[[)roi(]]

You're covering the same concepts at first year university that you've done in school.

I understand that some people wouldn't have done it, but those that did should have just been given the module credit.

I could have said the same for most of my undergrad studies, but the problem is that not everyone is equal. Plus when you have an education board that is known to adjust results for appearance's sake, have really shoddy exam controls, etc.; it's not surprising they discount it.

Plus education is always about levelling the playing field, also how would you really effectively measure it, surely you can't expect them to just take the candidate word on it. Just look at this forum, for examples of people estimating their prowess well above what it actually is.

Whilst I think CS should have a far greater emphasis in basic education; I'm certainly not aware of any universities in the world that permit candidates to bypass 1st year undergrad studies because of this.

 

[DA-LION-619]

I could have said the same for most of my undergrad studies, but the problem is that not everyone is equal. Plus when you have an education board that is known to adjust results for appearance's sake, have really shoddy exam controls, etc.; it's not surprising they discount it.

Plus education is always about levelling the playing field, also how would you really effectively measure it, surely you can't expect them to just take the candidate word on it. Just look at this forum, for examples of people estimating their prowess well above what it actually is.

Whilst I think CS should have a far greater emphasis in basic education; I'm certainly not aware of any universities in the world that permit candidates to bypass 1st year undergrad studies because of this.

True, but not bypass the entire first year just the programming concepts.

Tbh IT teachers are one the best teachers in the country, mine had a double major in comp sci and app math.

But the department screws everyone over, now they're doing Scratch now and not proper Java with SQL.

 

[Hamster]

I cannot post the whole story here, but if you want the details, hit "Private Message"
They never got around to interviewing me, because twice they sent me round the mulberry bush. Unprofessional bunch to the highest degree.

Just a bit of advice, just because its not true in your papework fairy land, doesn't mean it didn't happen or it was not true, or "rubbish" as you eloquently state. Go find someone else to hurl personal attacks at.

I am reasonably sure of success in the position I am applying for, and then, we will see what you have to say a year from now.

What paperwork fairy land? And if you reckon me calling you out when you talking rubbish is a personal attack, hit the rbp button and let the mods sort me out.

 

[[)roi(]]

True, but not bypass the entire first year just the programming concepts.

Tbh IT teachers are one the best teachers in the country, mine had a double major in comp sci and app math.

But the department screws everyone over, now they're doing Scratch now and not proper Java with SQL.

Quality really depends on circumstance; overall it's really poor IMO. As for scratch, guess it's an attempt to simplify it for some.

 

[Randy_The_Squirrel]

Feedback: I passed the Python assessment. Not bad considering my experience with it was 4 days.
That is how it should be, to pick up a new programming language quickly because the basics and foundation is solid.