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cguy

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I had not heard of this site until recently. It’s primarily about working in some of the bigger tech and some finance companies internationally, but it has some really interesting tidbits if you want to see how things work in different companies or get a feeling for the culture there.

Essentially, everyone is anonymous, but they’re typically tagged with the company they’re with. Comparing the details on this site with my experience in at least two of these companies, the answers are way more accurate than things like Glassdoor where people are encouraged to enter nonsense in order to continue browsing.

https://www.teamblind.com
 

cguy

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Will only work for large companies, right?
This site is just discussions about culture, work environment, compensation, etc. if just a few people give recent accounts along with their position level, one will probably get a better idea than places like Glassdoor where most people just enter in base salary values with arbitrary titles to continue reading, and typically don’t enter anything like sign-on, bonus, stocks, vesting schedule, etc. it’s not trying to gather stats like Glassdoor, Indeed, Salary.com, etc. it leaves that to the reader.
 

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Apparently once 30 people from the same company sign up they will add a dedicated sub-forum that's open to only staff of that company
 

Ancalagon

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Pretty cool site, pity it is US based.

It does make you realize how underpaid South African devs are compared to their international counterparts. Salary offers for entry level staff in the US seem to be in the region of $120k per year base, excluding stock and sign on bonus.

Total compensation for engineers with 5-10 years of experience quickly gets to $300k to $500k per year.

Here local companies will pay you a fraction of that.
 

cguy

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Pretty cool site, pity it is US based.

It does make you realize how underpaid South African devs are compared to their international counterparts. Salary offers for entry level staff in the US seem to be in the region of $120k per year base, excluding stock and sign on bonus.

Total compensation for engineers with 5-10 years of experience quickly gets to $300k to $500k per year.

Here local companies will pay you a fraction of that.
On average, the compensation on there is a bit on the high side by the nature of the site. For the big tech companies, it is pretty accurate though.
 

Ancalagon

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On average, the compensation on there is a bit on the high side by the nature of the site. For the big tech companies, it is pretty accurate though.
True.

But let's imagine a hypothetical candidate who gets a PhD in Computer Science from the University of Cape Town. BBD or Dariel - probably the largest employers of software developers in South Africa - will not pay him R1 million unless he has significant experience to go along with his PhD. Compare that to the USA, where a candidate with a PhD can get $100k USD fresh out of university.

Different environments but interesting that it is the case.
 

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Thought I wouldn’t start a new thread, because it’s roughly the same audience.

This is a website that keeps internal names and rankings for the different levels, positions, etc. for different companies and also collects salary and stock data for all these levels. It’s a lot more accurate than Glassdoor since it uses official levels.

https://www.levels.fyi/
 

cguy

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Another (possibly) useful resource for those thinking of going overseas:
https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/salary

Apparently, 50th percentile for me is $227k, and 75th is $287k in San Fran. £90k and £114k in London respectively, and $165k and $208k in Sydney.
 

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Backend engineer was the closest for me. I selected Java and C# - Kotlin wasn't listed there.

75% percentile for me was £82k I think.

I selected Bachelors degree, but I do have a 4 year computer science degree, which is actually closer to a UK MSc. Plus a post graduate diploma.
 

[)roi(]

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Roles also not a close match; used Full Stack Developer.
  • San Francisco: 50th $258K 75th $325K
  • London: 50th £102K 75th £129K
  • Sydney: 50th $187K 75th $236

Proof at least in my case that working for a corporate is no longer a financially sound decision.

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Language options appear to have a big effect of the outcome; e.g. adding Scala ups the San Fransisco peak to $345K
 
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cguy

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Roles also not a close match; used Full Stack Developer.
  • San Francisco: 50th $258K 75th $325K
  • London: 50th £102K 75th £129K
  • Sydney: 50th $187K 75th $236

Proof at least in my case that working for a corporate is no longer a financially sound decision.
How so?
 

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Close on 2 decades ago a few friends of mine & me decided to leave our corporate comfort seats and go solo; starting up a business that focused on providing an advanced level of skills to bolster and/or fast track projects.
 
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