Teleforge vs ECN VBX Solution

kalale

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Hi All,

We're looking at replacing our old pbx telephone system to a newer vbx solution.

I've got proposals from Teleforge and ECN and I would like to know if anyone has used either of these two.

We have about 100 telephone extensions.n

I'll be meeting them soon, but they will probably send their sales guys that will try and sell you even the things you don't really need.

What questions should I ask these guys that are important?
 
With a hosted solution your main concern is going to be reliable connectivity. So you want to make sure of things like:
1) Will the link to the provider be dedicated or shared with other services? If shared who is responsible for QoS?
2) In the event of your primary link failing can some sort of fail-over be setup. Probably something you should include very early on in the discovery.
3) If you opt for no fail-over can calls be forwarded to a cell number

Other questions off the top of my head:
1) Codec to be used. Will determine the size of the link needed to carry voice.
2) Compatible handsets. Can you supply your own / does the provider supply.
3) Handset provisioning. Does the provider auto provision phones or must they be setup manually.
4) Extra features and costs. Call recordings, voicemail, call forwarding etc. Sometimes you will find that the base price is attractive, but when you start ticking feature boxes the price suddenly goes up.
5) PBX customization and extension setup. How much can you manage yourself via a GUI vs what the provider sets up? If the provider need to change things are there extra charges.
6) Number porting
7) Billing. What does a typical bill look like? Itemised by extension etc.
8) Security. Who is responsible for what if the PBX or handset is compromised and you suffer from VoIP fraud.
 
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Have you worked with TF before? Any reasons why I should avoid them?

YGaPM

Another question is how much are you prepared to pay them to assess your network, phone and call data


They also log all numbers called/received on their system. No stars for guessing why.
 
YGaPM

Another question is how much are you prepared to pay them to assess your network, phone and call data


They also log all numbers called/received on their system. No stars for guessing why.

I might be wrong but do you think they sell numbers?
 
And one further

"provide the names for the numbers of clients you've called so we can capture it on the server. Then if they call back you can see who it is before answering"
 
YGaPM

Another question is how much are you prepared to pay them to assess your network, phone and call data


They also log all numbers called/received on their system. No stars for guessing why.

Interesting find to say the least. To answer the questions posed here let me list a few things:

1) Yes, Teleforge logs all numbers received and dialled via our billing engine - as does every single voice/sms provider in the world including ECN, Bitco, Vodacom, MTN etc. Any VoIP call made or received has to go through a billing engine which logs the call record automatically. The billing engine needs to log numbers in order to bill a customer and to pull detailed call logs etc. These logs are also necessary to store call recordings which we store for up to 5 years as per customer's requirements. Thus nothing out of the ordinary here.
2) I'm the sales director at Teleforge and can proudly say Teleforge has not and will never sell any numbers (or other details) of customers or their numbers phoned. I challenge any person/company out there to prove otherwise. All our contracts have strict confidentiality clauses that protect us and our customers.
3) Teleforge has always offered free site assessments and always will. We do this to ensure we only install our solutions on sites that are ready for our technology. If not we assist the customer in troubleshooting the network to highlight issues and assist the customer in correcting this (free of charge)
4) Teleforge is by far the largest service provider to the call center industry and has hundreds of very happy customers locally and internationally including the Imperial group, Bidvest, Transunion, MacRobert and a lot more. I will gladly provide references of customers and even arrange site visits.
5) Due to the fact that Teleforge develops its own software including omnichannel CRMs, campaign managers, reporting tools, diallers and a lot of automation we are a threat to communications companies that simply resell solutions and don't have some or all of the advanced technology we have . This makes us a threat to the legacy providers as we can custom build just about any solution. Secondly, Teleforge's prices on usage e.g. voice and SMS is way below everybody elses which means we are rapidly taking over customers from other providers. This obviously doesn't make us popular with other voice companies as we are taking business away from them. We have been threatened in all forms and ways because of this but we are not afraid - change is inevitable and we will be customer champions in terms of price, product and service.
6) Your question on whether Venomous used Teleforge before went unanswered. Thus you can safely assume the answer is no.
7) Venomous doesn't know ECN? ECN is by far the biggest VoIP based company in South Africa routing in excess of 100 million calls a month.. Teleforge has in fact been partnered with them for years as one of its upstream providers. The fact that Venomous states he doesn't know them means he really doesn't know the voice industry...

These facts leads me to believe that Mr. Venomous works for a competitor that feels very threatened by the success Teleforge is achieving. In fact I'm willing to bet money on it. Care to tell us who you are and who you work for? Based on your recommendation of BitCo I can assume you do in fact work for BitCo? So lets have an open chat here Mr. Venomous.
 
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