Telkom ADSL - you DO have a choice

Please note that Aerosat have the right to limit and/or block any form of P2P access initiated by our clients on the SatDSL packages during Peak hours and/or all hours.

.... THANKS BUT NO - thanks

Internet should be as fast as for what you pay for, at a reasonable and competative price internationally, and unlimited - no shaping, no capping none of that.

as i've said before - P2P is used in various online applications, not just downloading illigal content. NOTHING should be filtered unless the user chooses to IE kids etc. :(
 
I agree with you, but you must also realise that SAIX sells 64k CIR for R6,000 odd a month. How can ISPs offer unlimited access for R250 a month?
 
the fact of the matter is that no matter who you are with, telkom still benefit. the problem is not the isp's, it's the ridiculous line rental prices that telkom charges.

i think you're missing the point, matt156.
 
Yes, that's part of it, and we cannot do anything about it. But you can at least move from SAIX. I know it's not as big as hurting them on the line rentals, but at least its something we can do in the meantime. As far as I'm concerned, ANY revenue taken from Telkom is a good thing.
 
Matt - I dislike like Telkom as much as the next guy, but when you are talking about going to all that trouble to create such a miniscule impact I fear Telkom would more likely laugh than be worried.

You yourself said
but at the end of the day they still have to buy international bandwidth from SAIX
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So it is all of the line rental and most of the the ISP fee paid to IS that is going to Telkom's coffers anyway.

If the SNO came in here with RELIABLE Wimax connections then at least you would have a significant impact on Telkom by denying them their rediculous line rental while at the same time serving consumer interests. Until that day comes moving around on ADSL is futile as Telkom own everything.

If you really want to make a difference to Telkom's Pockets now go with iBust.
 
Byrd said:
If you really want to make a difference to Telkom's Pockets now go with iBust.
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Not so easy to get away from Telkom ... iBurst use (mainly) UUNet, and they buy capacity on SAT3 from Telkom.

BTW difference between ADSLs, SAIX = SAT3, IS = Satellite, UUNet = ??? (would guess SAT3)
 
matt156 said:
The change would be easy, and also aid with the peering link problem.
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how?

The way I see it, the peering link problem would be exacerbated with more IS DSL subscribers. So basically the consumer would be paying more for less bandwidth and possibly lower quality of service because of IS/SAIX peering...explain again why that would be good... Much as I hate Telkom's monopolistic actions, I don't think a move to another backbone is really going to hurt them. They're still making money from the line rental and are still selling SAT-3 bandwidth to IS.
 
satellite options, both local and from international, would seem to be the only answer.

Tough if its 'illegal'. The so-called 'laws' that make up much of what Telkom is using
to hide behind, attack competitors, and operate like a mad nymphomaniac whore on heat, were drawn up under the previous neo-Nazi Apartheid Regime, who were paranoid and insane.

Satellite - and maybe the Constitutional Court, to finally wipe Telkom off our bottoms.

All of these little legal brush fires don't fix anything. Perhaps the lawyers on forum
(or those in the know) prepare the beginnings of a genuine and Official MyAdsl Legal Fund towards formulating The Perfect All-In-One Legal Case, for the removal of Telkom's monopoly, and the claiming of Sat 3 as a National Resource.

Anything less, I'd suggest, is pretty futile.

It's probably near time, tactically, for MyAdsl (officially) to consider
something like this.
 
arf9999 said:
how?

The way I see it, the peering link problem would be exacerbated with more IS DSL subscribers. So basically the consumer would be paying more for less bandwidth and possibly lower quality of service because of IS/SAIX peering...explain again why that would be good... Much as I hate Telkom's monopolistic actions, I don't think a move to another backbone is really going to hurt them. They're still making money from the line rental and are still selling SAT-3 bandwidth to IS.
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The problem with the peering link is that IS have all the content, and SAIX have 40,000 ADSL users (some with SAIX's ridiculous 30GB accounts) trying to pull that content. So the congestion is caused by SAIX, and therefore they should upgrade the peering link, which they are refusing to do. If you have an ADSL account on IS, you bypass the peering link problem, and access IS' content directly. If everyone did this, it would alleviate the problem.

As far as hurting SAIX goes, how many users are there on MYADSL? I'm sure a couple of thousand. If everyone moved, we could take a chunk out of those 40,000 ADSL users. I'm not saying it will sink SAIX by any means, but at least its something we can do.

As far as moving to iBurst, I'm sure a lot of guys already have ADSL lines already. Moving to IS ADSL would be easier for them. But yes, it would be preferable to SAIX ADSL.
 
Well I've been on the IS backbone for sometime now and have been happy with the speed I have been getting. P2P is good when I'm not capped and I have access to lots of local content (newsserver). The only contentious issue is the higher prices and lower caps. After sending lots of emails and bugging various ISDSL ISP's I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing they can do until IS drops the resell price. But I still refuse to support SAIX directly!!
 
this aerocom is in PE and some coastal areas only, so if you are in JHB forget about it ...

in regards with non-saix accounts, at work we are with IS and they are far more unreliable than SAIX. Not very sure about speed but I guess it is comparable. UUNET as far as I can see is not good either. So if you need 20-30GB per month what are your options???? NONE I guess!
 
swordfish1 - not targeted at the 30gb guys. But that's all changing in two months anyway.

IS isn't that unreliable. It IS broadband, after all. BTW, you can't game internationally on a SAIX ADSL either (unless you get the 4GB unshaped).
 
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The problem with the peering link is that IS have all the content
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IS have all of what content? You sound like you're trying to tell us that IS = Internet.

some with SAIX's ridiculous 30GB accounts
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Please explain how a reasonably priced 30GB account is ridiculous. I personally find the 3GB accounts ridiculous. If the rest of the world can provide low cost bandwidth, then why can't South Africa.
 
viceroy said:
IS have all of what content? You sound like you're trying to tell us that IS = Internet.


Please explain how a reasonably priced 30GB account is ridiculous. I personally find the 3GB accounts ridiculous. If the rest of the world can provide low cost bandwidth, then why can't South Africa.
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IS does not = Internet, but the IS backbone has 80% of the content in SA.

30GB accounts are ridiculously priced in a South African (Telkom) context. Obviously if they are selling 3GB for R190 and 30GB for R300, there is a serious gap in pricing. The gap comes from the fact that either Telkom is selling an service at far below cost in order to steal market share from other ISPs, with the view of later increasing that pricing (by 10 times as it turns out) or the ISPs offering 30GB accounts are indeed cheating Telkom as IS claims. Either way, the 30GB accounts are unsustainable (as can be seen from the 1st November changes)

In any case, these 30GB users are contributing to the massive congestion on the IS to SAIX peering link, because IS have the majority of the content, and SAIX have 30GB ADSL users pulling at up to 512kb/s. The entire link is only around 112mb, which means that it can accomodate 225 512k users at full speed. Considering SAIX has over 40,000 ADSL users, you can see the problem. They are overselling their service and refusing to upgrade the link.
 
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The gap comes from the fact that either Telkom is selling an service at far below cost in order to steal market share from other ISPs, with the view of later increasing that pricing (by 10 times as it turns out) or the ISPs offering 30GB accounts are indeed cheating Telkom as IS claims
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I seriously doubt Telkom is making any losses with the 30gig accounts, and they are simply raping the 3gig account holders.

In any case, these 30GB users are contributing to the massive congestion on the IS to SAIX peering link, because IS have the majority of the content, and SAIX have 30GB ADSL users pulling at up to 512kb/s. The entire link is only around 112mb, which means that it can accomodate 225 512k users at full speed. Considering SAIX has over 40,000 ADSL users, you can see the problem. They are overselling their service and refusing to upgrade the link.
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I totally agree with you that the peering is overburdoned, but I wouldn't blame the 30gig users for this. I would blame the 3gig users who have hit their cap and are using local P2P aka DC++ to get what they want. The 30gig users simply go international.

In any case all the ADSL users in SA are being ripped off for a service which in all 1st world countries costs practically nothing, and in most 3rd world countries is affordable to the people. Only in SA are we forced to subsidise Telkoms profit making.

Telkom need to realise that despite their huge profits, they are falling to the wayside in terms of advancing the country's infrastructure and overall development, never mind the fact that they are denying people access to what is essentially a world resource.
 
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