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Telkom scandal -- Help needed
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Celemasiko
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ooouuups, are we talking about a "TELKOM-GATE"? Can't wait to get further infos.
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Debbie
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Thanks Peapod. It's a matter of time at the moment, waiting to see how things play out over the next few days, and the next few months in the courts.
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The_Unbeliever
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Hope the news is good news. 
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Otherwise it'll be
crbuys
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Hi all,
I find it hard to believe that the whole SA media, local advertisers, the Courts, the Companies Office and even some advocates are all part of some secretive conspiracy to protect Telkom from accountability. As far as I know, similar problems did not hamper other Telkom matters in the High Courts.
I’m also baffled by the reference to “Afrikaners” and the “Broederbond”… are they part of the alleged conspiracy?
I totally agree that this matter should be scrutinized by the local and international media… But the unfounded and bias references to Afrikaners and long lost secrets societies actually do nothing more but cloud the story’s credibility.
I’m also concerned that the tone of the letter and some of the “facts” expressed therein, may damage the reputation of this forum. Maybe we should all read section 6 of the terms and conditions that govern postings to and discussions on this forum – it is there for a very good reason! See http://www.mybroadband.co.za/myadsltc.pdf
What’s next… the Judge President is an alien? Telkom is controlled by the Illuminati!
And we wonder why the local press is not running with the story…
Lets keep our eyes on the ball and refrain from generalized accusations that may alienate our supporters or make us look real stupid.
Regards,
Hi all,
I find it hard to believe that the whole SA media, local advertisers, the Courts, the Companies Office and even some advocates are all part of some secretive conspiracy to protect Telkom from accountability. As far as I know, similar problems did not hamper other Telkom matters in the High Courts.
I’m also baffled by the reference to “Afrikaners” and the “Broederbond”… are they part of the alleged conspiracy?
I totally agree that this matter should be scrutinized by the local and international media… But the unfounded and bias references to Afrikaners and long lost secrets societies actually do nothing more but cloud the story’s credibility.
I’m also concerned that the tone of the letter and some of the “facts” expressed therein, may damage the reputation of this forum. Maybe we should all read section 6 of the terms and conditions that govern postings to and discussions on this forum – it is there for a very good reason! See http://www.mybroadband.co.za/myadsltc.pdf
What’s next… the Judge President is an alien? Telkom is controlled by the Illuminati!
And we wonder why the local press is not running with the story…
Lets keep our eyes on the ball and refrain from generalized accusations that may alienate our supporters or make us look real stupid.
Regards,
alacos
Legal Expert
Re: The last-but-one posting above (by "crbuys")
Hello, Mr Buys (“crbuys”).
In my only posting in this thread prior to the present one, I said that I would be making no further postings. Your above comments on this page have, however, prompted me to make this one.
As is indicated in my prior posting, I am the advocate referred to in the letter from Daniel Macqueen which is reproduced at the beginning of this thread. I am currently involved (in my personal capacity) in litigation against Telkom and the Registrar of Companies, and I have also represented the South African Minority Shareholders’ Rights Association (“SAMSRA”) — a voluntary association of which Debbie2 is currently an officer — in litigation against the same parties.
Yesterday evening, Debbie2 and certain other participants in this forum came (at my invitation) to see me at my home. They arrived in expectation of receiving from me the latest “scoop” concerning the litigation (against Telkom etc.) in which they all knew me to be involved, and of thereby being put in a position to feed the “scandal” alluded to in the title of this thread. What they actually received from me, though, was a request that they attempt to dampen down somewhat the speculation currently being indulged in on this forum concerning the relevant litigation — if only because, as I am sure that you (being a lawyer yourself) will fully appreciate, it is not necessarily a particularly advantageous thing for a complainant in litigation to have details of his/her complaint openly discussed and speculated upon on the Internet whilst the litigation in question is still in progress.
My visitors did not, however, leave totally empty-handed. For I gave to them copies of the Sneller transcripts of various hearings in the litigation (both my own and SAMSRA’s) to date, with markings by me indicating those passages (in the transcripts) which I thought to be the most relevant to any such elements of the situation as might perhaps sensibly be considered to be of a scandalous or potentially-scandalous nature. These transcripts are, after all, publicly-available documents; and I consider that in all of the circumstances Debbie2 and the others are entitled to read them (and, should they wish to do so, to comment upon them — within the boundaries, of course, of reasonableness and legality — publicly). For my part, I will neither monitor nor comment (in this thread) upon any future postings which may be made here by way of discussion of the contents of these transcripts.
I wish to make it clear that in so far as there may indeed be a “scandal” of some sort brewing it is one which has (in my view) nothing whatsover to do with the national or ethnic origins of any judges. For the record, though, I would take issue with your allusion to the Afrikaner Broederbond as being a “long lost” secret society. Notwithstanding its recent official disbandment, I think it far from obvious that the Broederbond is totally “lost” — and if it is then it has certainly not been lost for very long.
Finally, I think that it might have been appropriate for you to disclose (as you have not done) in this thread — for the benefit of newcomers to the forum — that Telkom is (and/or recently has been) a client of your firm that your firm has in fact been reported in the press (whether accurately or not) as having accepted instructions from Telkom to pursue (and/or to advise in connection with) litigation against Gregg Stirton, the owner (or apparent owner) of the Hellkom.co.za website. I fully accept the bona fides of the comments in that regard made by your firm at http://www.buys.co.za/gbNewsletters.asp?RID=54 (PDF), and if there is indeed a "secretive conspiracy" of any sort in Telkom’s favour — see, however, my "PS" below — then I certainly do not believe you to be part of it. Nevertheless, I do think that your (/your firm’s) attorney/client relationship with Telkom is something which persons posting to this thread (or reading it) are reasonably entitled to have drawn to their attention.
Regards,
Michael Alachouzos
PS: Your above posting begins with the obsevation that you "find it hard to believe that the whole SA media, local advertisers, the Courts, the Companies Office and even some advocates are all part of some secretive conspiracy to protect Telkom from accountability". I, too, would find it hard to believe in the existence of a conspiracy involving all of the parties whom you mention. However, nobody posting to this thread has in fact — so far as I can see — alleged the existence of such a conspiracy. I hope that you have not posted this absurd hyperbole for the deliberate purpose of creating the very semblance of stupidity which (in the final sentence of your posting) you effectively warn against.
Hello, Mr Buys (“crbuys”).
In my only posting in this thread prior to the present one, I said that I would be making no further postings. Your above comments on this page have, however, prompted me to make this one.
As is indicated in my prior posting, I am the advocate referred to in the letter from Daniel Macqueen which is reproduced at the beginning of this thread. I am currently involved (in my personal capacity) in litigation against Telkom and the Registrar of Companies, and I have also represented the South African Minority Shareholders’ Rights Association (“SAMSRA”) — a voluntary association of which Debbie2 is currently an officer — in litigation against the same parties.
Yesterday evening, Debbie2 and certain other participants in this forum came (at my invitation) to see me at my home. They arrived in expectation of receiving from me the latest “scoop” concerning the litigation (against Telkom etc.) in which they all knew me to be involved, and of thereby being put in a position to feed the “scandal” alluded to in the title of this thread. What they actually received from me, though, was a request that they attempt to dampen down somewhat the speculation currently being indulged in on this forum concerning the relevant litigation — if only because, as I am sure that you (being a lawyer yourself) will fully appreciate, it is not necessarily a particularly advantageous thing for a complainant in litigation to have details of his/her complaint openly discussed and speculated upon on the Internet whilst the litigation in question is still in progress.
My visitors did not, however, leave totally empty-handed. For I gave to them copies of the Sneller transcripts of various hearings in the litigation (both my own and SAMSRA’s) to date, with markings by me indicating those passages (in the transcripts) which I thought to be the most relevant to any such elements of the situation as might perhaps sensibly be considered to be of a scandalous or potentially-scandalous nature. These transcripts are, after all, publicly-available documents; and I consider that in all of the circumstances Debbie2 and the others are entitled to read them (and, should they wish to do so, to comment upon them — within the boundaries, of course, of reasonableness and legality — publicly). For my part, I will neither monitor nor comment (in this thread) upon any future postings which may be made here by way of discussion of the contents of these transcripts.
I wish to make it clear that in so far as there may indeed be a “scandal” of some sort brewing it is one which has (in my view) nothing whatsover to do with the national or ethnic origins of any judges. For the record, though, I would take issue with your allusion to the Afrikaner Broederbond as being a “long lost” secret society. Notwithstanding its recent official disbandment, I think it far from obvious that the Broederbond is totally “lost” — and if it is then it has certainly not been lost for very long.
Finally, I think that it might have been appropriate for you to disclose (as you have not done) in this thread — for the benefit of newcomers to the forum — that Telkom is (and/or recently has been) a client of your firm that your firm has in fact been reported in the press (whether accurately or not) as having accepted instructions from Telkom to pursue (and/or to advise in connection with) litigation against Gregg Stirton, the owner (or apparent owner) of the Hellkom.co.za website. I fully accept the bona fides of the comments in that regard made by your firm at http://www.buys.co.za/gbNewsletters.asp?RID=54 (PDF), and if there is indeed a "secretive conspiracy" of any sort in Telkom’s favour — see, however, my "PS" below — then I certainly do not believe you to be part of it. Nevertheless, I do think that your (/your firm’s) attorney/client relationship with Telkom is something which persons posting to this thread (or reading it) are reasonably entitled to have drawn to their attention.
Regards,
Michael Alachouzos
PS: Your above posting begins with the obsevation that you "find it hard to believe that the whole SA media, local advertisers, the Courts, the Companies Office and even some advocates are all part of some secretive conspiracy to protect Telkom from accountability". I, too, would find it hard to believe in the existence of a conspiracy involving all of the parties whom you mention. However, nobody posting to this thread has in fact — so far as I can see — alleged the existence of such a conspiracy. I hope that you have not posted this absurd hyperbole for the deliberate purpose of creating the very semblance of stupidity which (in the final sentence of your posting) you effectively warn against.
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thanks for pointing that out alacos.... very interesting indeed heheh...
I recall waffling on about Teklom, the Lizard King, the Illuminati And the Broederbond in my private blogs Ages ago rofl......
WretchedToad (*compromised and LOVING IT!)
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I recall waffling on about Teklom, the Lizard King, the Illuminati And the Broederbond in my private blogs Ages ago rofl......
WretchedToad
(*compromised and LOVING IT!)*ambiguity, incoherence and lunacy are my stock-in-trade*