That job thing...

Randy_The_Squirrel said:
First time I actually poured my heart out on any online forum.. so no, maybe a coherent similarity to someone else. The gain outweighed the risk though. I guess sometimes its useful to get perspective from others.
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Yea, might not be the same but the crux of the matter is iirc. Dude, best would be to just start looking for another job. I have noticed that working for BIG companies works to both their advantage and mine. I have worked in small firms and major companies. The smaller ones are normally where all the shyte is. Just my advice.
 
Great advice.. the question is, how big a company to work for. I have come from a JSE listed one, and was treated like a total number
I am trying to get this right, because I am aiming incorrectly every time.
 
Randy_The_Squirrel said:
Great advice.. the question is, how big a company to work for. I have come from a JSE listed one, and was treated like a total number
I am trying to get this right, because I am aiming incorrectly every time.
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Yea, the balance needs to be just right. But it really depends on the actual department too. I think be open and honest when you do the interview. Remember it's not just an interview to find out things about you, it's a two way street. Ask them the difficult questions upfront and let them know what your issues are in relation to your current employer. You might just be exactly what they want. That way you both know it's a great fit or it won't work at all. Straight off the bat.

I normally am not in a rush to find alternative employment. So I can take a job that fits me and my requirements just as much as I should fit theirs.
 
Randy_The_Squirrel said:
Great advice.. the question is, how big a company to work for. I have come from a JSE listed one, and was treated like a total number
I am trying to get this right, because I am aiming incorrectly every time.
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200-300 head is usually good.

Spent some time in a big office (3k people) and must say it's a bit weird. Way too many people to even know their names. Only benefit I can see is that the canteens offer variety as a result of scale.
 
If you know that you are contributing beyond average value, you should not feel obligated to work as hard. It is common that valuable programmers are perceived as less productive than the average ones, even if they are busy producing 10 times more value.

Just a possibility - I don't know whether that applies in your case, but you could make notes of what you do each day (at a high level) to justify time spent. Although your manager seems to be a psychotic bully so this may be pointless.

One thing to not do is to set unreasonable expectations... most managers will understand "maybe today or it could run into a week". With an unreasonable manager you will have to make extreme exaggerations and deliver earlier. I myself do not commit to deadlines easily - I will commit to adding it to my work list only (since I have unplanned periods of interruptions where progress stops) and report on progress. Even if this results in your manager building up a false perception that you are a slow worker, it will be better in the long term.
 
Pitbull said:
Yea, might not be the same but the crux of the matter is iirc. Dude, best would be to just start looking for another job. I have noticed that working for BIG companies works to both their advantage and mine. I have worked in small firms and major companies. The smaller ones are normally where all the shyte is. Just my advice.
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+100000000

Saw this at previous employers myself. Current employer is a big company and I do not have much issues here.
The biggest problem I recon is with tech startups. The CEO's are usually someone that is technically sound with a good idea running but has no clue about people or business.
 
but you could make notes of what you do each day (at a high level) to justify time spent.
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I already do this. I do this by default at "difficult" companies. I also copy the notes when I commit, into the comment box on Subversion.

If you know that you are contributing beyond average value
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I am very sure I am doing this. You see, I rose up through embedded systems, so their shocking bad code is being refactored. Take for example the following case.
They start up a GPRS modem i.e. power it on. Instead of polling it to see when its ready, they have a delay, they sit for 4 seconds doing nothing.

By polling I got the modem up in 650mS. Its things like this, not knowing how to do keystroke conversion ( I kid you not people, they copy-and-paste a case statement with all possible key combinations, to 5 different functions because it never occurred to them to write a small algo to convert). I wrote a routine in 6 lines of code to do the key conversion. The more I work, the faster the device is starting to run.. but this man just wants to see stuff the whole time and makes comments that imply I am not working fast enough.

And yes, it is a tech startup... it pretends to have been in the business for a long time but hasn't. They also have an unfounded hatred for Linux, and by this consequence, are Microsoft boys.
 
Randy_The_Squirrel said:
I already do this. I do this by default at "difficult" companies. I also copy the notes when I commit, into the comment box on Subversion.



I am very sure I am doing this. You see, I rose up through embedded systems, so their shocking bad code is being refactored. Take for example the following case.
They start up a GPRS modem i.e. power it on. Instead of polling it to see when its ready, they have a delay, they sit for 4 seconds doing nothing.

By polling I got the modem up in 650mS. Its things like this, not knowing how to do keystroke conversion ( I kid you not people, they copy-and-paste a case statement with all possible key combinations, to 5 different functions because it never occurred to them to write a small algo to convert). I wrote a routine in 6 lines of code to do the key conversion. The more I work, the faster the device is starting to run.. but this man just wants to see stuff the whole time and makes comments that imply I am not working fast enough.

And yes, it is a tech startup... it pretends to have been in the business for a long time but hasn't. They also have an unfounded hatred for Linux, and by this consequence, are Microsoft boys.
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Microsoft boys. God. I hope you find another job I know exactly the mentality in there.
 
You are so right, all of you.

And now, while I prepare to forget about this toilet for a few days let me leave you with this anecdote.

I used to think MagicDude4Eva was talking crap when he said that there are useless developers that copy and paste code off stackoverflow.com and try and make it work... until I worked here.

We have an individual here whom I deem as thick as a brick, and that, my friends, is what she does, to try and develop Android applications. She has no cooking clue about OOP, or coding in general. 80% of her day she sits and enters every problem into Google/StackOverflow, and uses the exact wording of what needs to be done in the project, complete with the project's variable names. Can only do parrot style... that's all.

Of course, she counts for something, and as a consequence, she is immune to the BS I have to put up with.
 
Randy_The_Squirrel said:
You are so right, all of you.

And now, while I prepare to forget about this toilet for a few days let me leave you with this anecdote.

I used to think MagicDude4Eva was talking crap when he said that there are useless developers that copy and paste code off stackoverflow.com and try and make it work... until I worked here.

We have an individual here whom I deem as thick as a brick, and that, my friends, is what she does, to try and develop Android applications. She has no cooking clue about OOP, or coding in general. 80% of her day she sits and enters every problem into Google/StackOverflow, and uses the exact wording of what needs to be done in the project, complete with the project's variable names. Can only do parrot style... that's all.

Of course, she counts for something, and as a consequence, she is immune to the BS I have to put up with.
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Is she hot?

If so, make sure you stick it to her once before leaving :p
 
Randy_The_Squirrel said:
You are so right, all of you.

And now, while I prepare to forget about this toilet for a few days let me leave you with this anecdote.

I used to think MagicDude4Eva was talking crap when he said that there are useless developers that copy and paste code off stackoverflow.com and try and make it work... until I worked here.
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I am always right :whistle: - wait until you run into a situation (a large corporate I consulted with) where the dev convinced the network guys to open database ports and then do a JDBC connection from the client. This caused a "bit" of a problem when all of a sudden 3000 devices tried to connect simultaneously. The response from the dev: "I don't know how the server can open so many connections, I only open one connection on the Android app" (he somehow thought that app runs centrally in the cloud...
 
Randy_The_Squirrel said:
She is not hot at all...

And for reference, it took her 3 weeks to figure out how to send a SQL query to a server, two of those weeks spent trying to figure out how to open a socket.
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Don't focus on juniors. They are special as large companies put dozens of them on internships that they claim back from government. as well as training the unemployed improves their BEE rating. These devs then have 1 year work experience although not really as they merely went to work ans surfed the whole day for their internship.Based on the CV they then get hired by companies at very low salaries and don't contribute or battle with the most basic things. Comparing yourself with them to make yourself feel good is a trap. It's unique to South Africa. Rather than compare yourself to them, build and learn new things. The moment you stop and have a look around to compare or complain is when you don't progress. That time is when you are supposed to look at other opportunities or other areas where you should grow.

A senior in SA gets paid way less than an intern in the US. Compare yourself to the right interns, not the SA version. Otherwise you fall into the trap and miss all the opportunities out there.
 
So in regard to juniors. The other one is deep up the boss's backside. They are of the same "religion" if I could say it eloquently. So its me, and two juniors, and I am agnostic, but kept it secret.

Guess what he is doing right now as I sit here... walking around, taking pics with mobile phone, making notes. And then he phones the boss to tell him what is going on here... "So and so isn't here did you know that". He then goes into the storeroom to continue the conversation... probably telling the boss "That dude is busy writing about us on MyBroadband again sir... " f**king d1ckweed!!!

So that is what happened, I got snitched on for being late due to traffic. And I left a bit earlier yesterday to sort out an issue at home... a whole FREAKING 45 minutes, this despite me coming in at 6:45 most mornings and working a 45 hour work week when they only expect 40 hours.... so I got snitched on again... because he has the gall to ask me yesterday "Where are you going?"
 
Randy_The_Squirrel said:
You are so right, all of you.

And now, while I prepare to forget about this toilet for a few days let me leave you with this anecdote.

I used to think MagicDude4Eva was talking crap when he said that there are useless developers that copy and paste code off stackoverflow.com and try and make it work... until I worked here.

We have an individual here whom I deem as thick as a brick, and that, my friends, is what she does, to try and develop Android applications. She has no cooking clue about OOP, or coding in general. 80% of her day she sits and enters every problem into Google/StackOverflow, and uses the exact wording of what needs to be done in the project, complete with the project's variable names. Can only do parrot style... that's all.

Of course, she counts for something, and as a consequence, she is immune to the BS I have to put up with.
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If she is hot then I suggest you make her stack overflow before you leave.
 
No employment contract (none received to date)
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Find another job and get the hell out, they will use you as their scape goat....dodgy dodgy company, let me guess they pay poor and the boss drives a very expensive car and is young and thinks he knows everything?
 
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