The arguments made by climate change sceptics

Depends which scientists are changing their views.

See then it becomes a Tin foil hat issue.

No matter who changes their stance I would assume as it's a growing trend. The Al Gore propaganda and the people who jumped on that bandwagon seems to now be seeing the light. They might not be jumping down the wagon all at once but they are jumping down at an increasing rate.
 
Fine if you don't want to respect an opposing opinion, that's your decision, but there's no need to resort to name-calling.

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Even if that opposing opinion comes at the cost of our planet? In my mind theres no difference between them and people who support pedophiles. Both are supporting a disgusting practice except climate change denialists are not harming one or a small group of individuals, but they threaten the entire future of humanity. I cant think of a worse type of person. Im ganna take a hard line on this, because there is no room to put up with their BS to "be nice".
 
The only opposing view right now that actually attempts to posit an alternate cause for warming seems to be Svensmark's GCR theory.

A lot of the other deniers seem content merely to point at perceived flaws in AGW without actually trying to explain an alternate mechanism.

Not true.

I personally believe that this is a cycle the earth is going through. Our CO2 input is by no means good for the earth but I can not see that Global warming is caused by our CO2 input to such a degree that it would force the world to become so hot over time that life can not be sustained.

The world has a normal way of dealing with excess CO2 and will keep doing so for as long as earth is around.
 
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The only opposing view right now that actually attempts to posit an alternate cause for warming seems to be Svensmark's GCR theory.
No other natural forcing mechanisms that you are aware of?
How do you think the water cycle and cloud formation and positive feedbacks as well as negative feedbacks will affect climate?
Got any verses from the IPCC or the realclimate bible?
 
Well since wizard is supporting a position of 95% of the worlds scientists I guess the most intelligent people in the world must all be as gullible as him. I guess I must be gullible as I believe him and the scientists. Sifting through the mountains of evidence presented I can not see how a reasonable human could not be convinced. You must be one amazing South African Pitbull to know more than the combined intelligence of the worlds top scientific bodies.

Hulle weet aan watter kant hulle brood gebotter is.
 
Hulle weet aan watter kant hulle brood gebotter is.

Precisely, you won't get the climate-change research grants, if are unlikely to support the common view, or "prove" it, in your research. I think this could be applied to most types of research, not just climate change. It's all about money, and who has more of it, at the end of the day.

Or what?.

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Precisely, you won't get the climate-change research grants, if are unlikely to support the common view, or "prove" it, in your research. I think this could be applied to most types of research, not just climate change. It's all about money, and who has more of it, at the end of the day.

Or what?.

B

What orsm fail. Palin for President!
 
Surely the mere fact that both the population and industrial usage of fuel (heat) must have some impact on Global Warming even if it is cyclical perhaps the Earth cannot adjust as it used to?
 
Surely the mere fact that both the population and industrial usage of fuel (heat) must have some impact on Global Warming even if it is cyclical perhaps the Earth cannot adjust as it used to?

Facts and evidence mean nothing to climate skeptics :(
 
Precisely, you won't get the climate-change research grants, if are unlikely to support the common view, or "prove" it, in your research. I think this could be applied to most types of research, not just climate change. It's all about money, and who has more of it, at the end of the day.

Or what?.

B

good luck getting funding to prove that global warming doesn't exist.
 
good luck getting funding to prove that global warming doesn't exist.

Yes, someone going down that road will have to be self-sufficient, or have a backer with the same mindset.

Actually, the evidence is already out there, but yeah, apparently not supported/produced by the right kind of scientists, only by pedophiles, troggs, and dimwits, so apparently is not worth much. So, therefore, there is manmade global warming/climate change/<insert buzzword here>, it is caused by all the bad guys at Exxon Mobil/Shell/some other energy company that GW crowd has a beef with. Watch out cattle farmers, they will have you in their sights next! :eek:

:D

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I wouldn't take w1z4rd too seriously, he is an anti-humanist - IE, he wants the vast majority of humanity killed off .. destroying the worlds economies is right up his alley so he will believe anything that achieves his goal.

For those who say I am just flinging poo, here is his quote:
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb//showpost.php?p=1884098&postcount=20

I really hope this happens soon. Humanity needs a wake up call slap. The death of billions should get that sorted out. Natural selection needs to run its course.

BTW, just in case he tries to delete his post, I have a screenshot.
 
BCO, back it up. You are saying 95% of all scientist support Global warming. After repeatedly asking for you guys to back it up no one can prove it :confused:

I have read the first 17 posts and I have seen many references to it... clearly someone is only choosing to read what he wants to.
 
I wouldn't take w1z4rd too seriously, he is an anti-humanist - IE, he wants the vast majority of humanity killed off .. destroying the worlds economies is right up his alley so he will believe anything that achieves his goal.

For those who say I am just flinging poo, here is his quote:


BTW, just in case he tries to delete his post, I have a screenshot.

I wont try delete the post, lol. I dont do that. I leave the dishonesty and worming to people like you. That post was directed at people like you, people that I dont see as humans. It was written out of frustration at having to deal with the evil stupidity displayed. The problem with people like you, is you would smugly take the rest of us to extinction to protect your profits and your lies if you could. I would be a very happy person if you and the rest of the denialists (who are a minority) could get your own planet and suffer the consequences of your actions instead of having your dirty asses indirectly saved by people who are trying to do something for the real humans out there.

LOL@ your lie about me wanting to destroy the world economies.

Guess what! People like myself, BCO and the other rationalists and people in power (ie never you), know the reality of whats happening, and guess what? Change _is_ ganna happen. World leaders are way smarter than you and have seen the truth and are moving to protect people rather than profits. Economies will survive and life will go on. No thanks to "people" like you.

@Bismuth, I changed my OP out of respect to you. I have none now, so Im changing it back.

This isnt a debate about evolution or religion where you have to respect someones opinion or pretend to. This is not a choice thing with no consequences if the other person is being stupid, this is about survival. I will take a very hard line on it if your "opinion" is evil.

I will sit down and have supper and talk with a racist, a creationist, a satanist, a holocaust denialist, fundimentalists christians, a thief or a toilet cleaner, but I will never ever ever respect or sit down near climate change denialists. They are the bottom of humanity.
 
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I wouldn't take w1z4rd too seriously, he is an anti-humanist - IE, he wants the vast majority of humanity killed off .. destroying the worlds economies is right up his alley so he will believe anything that achieves his goal.

For those who say I am just flinging poo, here is his quote:


BTW, just in case he tries to delete his post, I have a screenshot.

Wow talk about misrepresentation.
 
World leaders are way smarter than you and have seen the truth and are moving to protect profits rather than people. Economies will survive and life will go on.

Fixed your post :p

I will sit down and have supper and talk with a racist, a creationist, a satanist, a holocaust denialist, fundimentalists christians, a thief or a toilet cleaner, but I will never ever ever respect or sit down near climate change denialists. They are the bottom of humanity.

That is some list of who's who of nasties, however your climate change enthusiast types seem quite content with the idea of genocide and mass eradication of fellow humans.

“A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
– Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major UN donor

“One America burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes. This is a terrible thing to say in order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it’s just as bad not to say it.”
– Jacques Cousteau, UNESCO Courier

“My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”
-Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!

You realy want to change the world, you dont destroy people, you need to destroy the worlds supply of fossil fuels, nothing else will ever change until that occurs.
 
I wont try delete the post, lol. I dont do that. I leave the dishonesty and worming to people like you. That post was directed at people like you, people that I dont see as humans. It was written out of frustration at having to deal with the evil stupidity displayed. The problem with people like you, is you would smugly take the rest of us to extinction to protect your profits and your lies if you could. I would be a very happy person if you and the rest of the denialists (who are a minority) could get your own planet and suffer the consequences of your actions instead of having your dirty asses indirectly saved by people who are trying to do something for the real humans out there.

LOL@ your lie about me wanting to destroy the world economies.

Guess what! People like myself, BCO and the other rationalists and people in power (ie never you), know the reality of whats happening, and guess what? Change _is_ ganna happen. World leaders are way smarter than you and have seen the truth and are moving to protect people rather than profits. Economies will survive and life will go on. No thanks to "people" like you.

This isnt a debate about evolution or religion where you have to respect someones opinion or pretend to. This is not a choice thing with no consequences if the other person is being stupid, this is about survival. I will take a very hard line on it if your "opinion" is evil.

I will sit down and have supper and talk with a racist, a creationist, a satanist, a holocaust denialist, fundimentalists christians, a thief or a toilet cleaner, but I will never ever ever respect or sit down near climate change denialists. They are the bottom of humanity.

Woh. I can almost see the froth.

First off, there is no observable evidence of drastic and dangerous levels of global warming. 0.7 degrees in a century is not a problem, it's not even a concern. Your only data comes from predictive models based on incomplete, some (including I) would even say fraudulent, variables, weightings and smoothings. These models cannot be accurate since nobody has a 100% understanding of how short term, and long term climate works. Theres some honesty for you.

On top of that, the raw data, code and methodology for these models have never been officially released so general peer review is not possible. Your "scientists" are basically saying "trust us". Well, I have a simple phrase I live by: "Trust, but verify". In fact, anyone who is honest would do the same. Now with climate gate in full swing, there is plenty evidence to show that temperature data has been manipulated and adjusted to favor anthropogenic warming.

Another piece of honesty is that the surface temperature data for most of the world is in a dire state. The data is so corrupt and inaccurate that it cannot be used as-is. How can models predict the future when nobody can say with 100% accuracy what the past was?

Now 95% of all scientists agree with *A*GW? Really? How many scientists are there and how many are on record agreeing to this consensus? Making bold claims without anything to back it up is very typical for your crowd.

I can say for certain that you believe in AGW, you have faith in your "scientists" and nothing will change that. You will kill for your beliefs. In other words, you are a dangerous zealot.

Your kind has come before: Islam, Catholism, Rwanda, Germany, France, Russia. Always the same rhetoric, always the same result - nothing more than pain, misery, poverty and dark ages.

BTW, if you are so worried about profits, do you give away all that you earn at the end of the month? Do you live in a box and on the charity of the government? If you don't then please do not talk about removing protections for profits; its profits that put food on your table, that provides clean and on-tap water, that heats your home, that cooks your food, that allows you the life so you can rant and rave about how you want to kill everyone. If you hate profits so much, how about doing a Ghandi and change the world by first changing yourself and give up everything you own and earn for those more deserving than you.

I feel pity for you, and sadness for this world that it is still so immature.
 
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