The Audi Thread

Hey folks

I've been looking at selling the i30 and buying something with some more boot space/something more practical for my intended uses, and as I am not a fan of Volvo's resale prices I am looking toward either an A4 Avant (B8/B8.5) or A4 Allroad (once again, B8/B8.5), both in 2.0 TDI guise.

I am used to doing my own maintenance at home to my vehicles so I am no stranger to getting my hands dirty, but a high-tech German vehicle is leagues different to my Econobox Hyundai.

I'll be posting the questions I had in a prior thread here, and add one any other ones that I have thought of:

  1. Is ~150'000km considered high mileage for a vehicle like this?
  2. Are the Multitronic gearboxes known to be unreliable as opposed to the S-Tronic units? As I understand it the Multitronic is CVT-based, whereas the S-Tronic is basically a DSG-box.
  3. Is servicing and maintaining a car like this at home actually feasible? I'm talking oil, filters, glow plugs, brake pads, perhaps even the cambelt.
  4. Are the service books still kept traditionally in a booklet or is it done electronically at the dealers? Can the service light be reset with VAGcom?
  5. Are electronic gremlins commonplace on higher mileage VAG cars? I often hear of VAG cars having electronics issues, but this could be due to the sheer volume of them on the roads.
  6. Are parts readily available through the agents or would I need to order parts as needed, for example a fuel pump, a glow plug, CV joints or an air filter?
  7. (Allroad-specific) Is the Quattro system permanent AWD or only on-demand or selectable with a switch? I am hearing conflicting reports on this on the net, with some people stating its on all the time and others saying there is a bias towards FWD with RWD activating when necessary.
Appreciate any and all replies :)
 
m no stranger to getting my hands dirty, but a high-tech German vehicle is leagues different to my Econobox Hyundai.

It’s not really any different mate.


  1. Is ~150'000km considered high mileage for a vehicle like this?


  1. I would say yes. But it depends on how long you plan to keep it. I had one happily from 95,000km to just about 200,000km.

    [*]Are the Multitronic gearboxes known to be unreliable as opposed to the S-Tronic units? As I understand it the Multitronic is CVT-based, whereas the S-Tronic is basically a DSG-box.

    In certain model years and guises both were a bit questionable.

    S-tronic wet clutch is also expensive to maintain with oil changes every 60,000km (or 80,000, not sure now) at R1800 in oil.

    [*]Is servicing and maintaining a car like this at home actually feasible? I'm talking oil, filters, glow plugs, brake pads, perhaps even the cambelt.

    If you have the software sure. I did my own brakes and not much else.

    But if you want a service record maybe getting the oil changes done on the book is the best way to go about it.

    [*]Are the service books still kept traditionally in a booklet or is it done electronically at the dealers? Can the service light be reset with VAGcom?

    Both. If done by a specialist or authorised dealer all records are on the electronic system. Some cars it can be reset even without VAGcom.

    [*]Are electronic gremlins commonplace on higher mileage VAG cars? I often hear of VAG cars having electronics issues, but this could be due to the sheer volume of them on the roads.

    I would say no. The nearest electronic issue is the mechatronic unit in the S-tronic.

    [*]Are parts readily available through the agents or would I need to order parts as needed, for example a fuel pump, a glow plug, CV joints or an air filter?

    I’ve always had parts same day delivered to mechanic.

    [*](Allroad-specific) Is the Quattro system permanent AWD or only on-demand or selectable with a switch? I am hearing conflicting reports on this on the net, with some people stating its on all the time and others saying there is a bias towards FWD with RWD activating when necessary.

    It’s always on.

    The ratio from front to rear can dynamically shift I believe with a static maximum. Depending on car.
 
Hi all
Just wanted to find out if there are any Audi convertible owners in this forum?
Would like to form a group to understand if Audi have a design flaw on their rear windscreen glass...
Bought an A3 8P convertible (late 2010 model) with 72000km on it. Spent most of it's life roof up in a garage by one owner. The rear windscreen (glass) is coming loose from the material top, which in turn WILL cause water to leak into the boot...
Audi say sorry it is "wear and tear" - I think design flaw if I look at ALL the other Audi convertibles seen in the last month (all of them suffer from this).
New tops cost R75k...
If this is a flaw, then we can band together to at least warn others about this issue seeing Audi not taking responsibility...
2 examples of what I am talking about (mine not nearly a bad)
PM me if also impacted by this....

(PS went to scrap yard other day, there was a Mini convertible there on the pile, standing in sun and rain - it's rear windscreen perfect!
Can't it be repaired rather than replaced?
What do international forums say about the issue?
 
Hey folks

I've been looking at selling the i30 and buying something with some more boot space/something more practical for my intended uses, and as I am not a fan of Volvo's resale prices I am looking toward either an A4 Avant (B8/B8.5) or A4 Allroad (once again, B8/B8.5), both in 2.0 TDI guise.

I am used to doing my own maintenance at home to my vehicles so I am no stranger to getting my hands dirty, but a high-tech German vehicle is leagues different to my Econobox Hyundai.

I'll be posting the questions I had in a prior thread here, and add one any other ones that I have thought of:

  1. Is ~150'000km considered high mileage for a vehicle like this?
  2. Are the Multitronic gearboxes known to be unreliable as opposed to the S-Tronic units? As I understand it the Multitronic is CVT-based, whereas the S-Tronic is basically a DSG-box.
  3. Is servicing and maintaining a car like this at home actually feasible? I'm talking oil, filters, glow plugs, brake pads, perhaps even the cambelt.
  4. Are the service books still kept traditionally in a booklet or is it done electronically at the dealers? Can the service light be reset with VAGcom?
  5. Are electronic gremlins commonplace on higher mileage VAG cars? I often hear of VAG cars having electronics issues, but this could be due to the sheer volume of them on the roads.
  6. Are parts readily available through the agents or would I need to order parts as needed, for example a fuel pump, a glow plug, CV joints or an air filter?
  7. (Allroad-specific) Is the Quattro system permanent AWD or only on-demand or selectable with a switch? I am hearing conflicting reports on this on the net, with some people stating its on all the time and others saying there is a bias towards FWD with RWD activating when necessary.
Appreciate any and all replies :)
Both are good choices. I have a B8 sedan (1.8T Multitronic) and my wife has a B8.5 Allroad 2.0TDi S-Tronic (and a Q5 before that).

I really like the Allroad. Aesthetically, the raised height and Allroad trim looks much better than the normal Avant, especially in a darker grey or blue.

Quattro on the Allroad is also a plus, especially on gravel or in the wet, but it does go through tyres quicker (tyres were fairly new when we bought the Allroad and all 4 had to be replaced after about 45,000km whereas I only replaced the front set on my sedan at about 60,000km and the other 2 at 85,000km).

I'm a relaxed driver and the Multitronic suits me fine (but it's quite lively in Sport mode). This is my 2nd Multitronic (also had a B6 Multitronic) and haven't had any issues. S-Tronic is the better option overall though I think, although as SauronZA mentioned the oil change is a must (and very expensive if done at a dealer. Can't remember, but I thought I read somewhere that special tools are needed to do it). Get the car's service history and make sure that it was done every 60,000km. Also make sure the Mechatronic hasn't given any issues before and have it checked if possible before buying. If there is any problem you'll probably pick it up between N, 1st and 2nd (clicking or a slight judder).

The other major difference between the 2 is the steering feel. My sedan feels feather light and fairly disconnected compared to the Allroad which has a heavier feel (I guess partly due to quattro) that reminds me of the Q5. I'd recommend you test drive both.

Recently had to replace a CV joint on the Allroad which I had done at a CV specialist. Same parts as the normal A4. Found out that the shocks on the Allroad are specialised parts that need to be ordered from the factory.

(Another thing to remember is that the Allroad's engine has a higher kW output)
 
Thanks for the replies, gents

It’s not really any different mate.

I was looking at the cambelt replacement guide on the EA189 engine and was shocked at the complexity of the design. At the end of the day it's just a normal engine with conrods and a crankshaft and valves like any other, but the ancillary bits is what gave me a bit of a skrik.

I would say yes. But it depends on how long you plan to keep it. I had one happily from 95,000km to just about 200,000km.

Good to know. I seem to recall you did the opposite of what I intend on doing, by going from German -> Korean. In any case, I doubt I would keep it for anything past 200'000km anyhow.

In certain model years and guises both were a bit questionable. S-tronic wet clutch is also expensive to maintain with oil changes every 60,000km (or 80,000, not sure now) at R1800 in oil.

I don't mind the frequent gearbox oil changes too much TBH, and (off-topic) I despise 'lifetime' claims that certain manufacturers state when it comes to gearbox oils. I would not trust the oil to last that long with all the shearing and heating and cooling cycles it will be exposed to.

If you have the software sure. I did my own brakes and not much else. But if you want a service record maybe getting the oil changes done on the book is the best way to go about it. Both. If done by a specialist or authorised dealer all records are on the electronic system. Some cars it can be reset even without VAGcom.

I have a VAG-collecting buddy much like @Rouxenator does with a scantool that I could borrow, so I will ask him as well if he can point me to any VAG specialists in town.

I would say no. The nearest electronic issue is the mechatronic unit in the S-tronic.

Good to know, thanks. I am planning on staying away from the Multitronic so this would be something to keep an eye on.

I’ve always had parts same day delivered to mechanic.

Cool, thank you.

It’s always on. The ratio from front to rear can dynamically shift I believe with a static maximum. Depending on car.

I thought as much, perhaps then the Avant would be a better buy than the Allroad as I would probably never make use of the AWD in any case.

Both are good choices. I have a B8 sedan (1.8T Multitronic) and my wife has a B8.5 Allroad 2.0TDi S-Tronic (and a Q5 before that).

I really like the Allroad. Aesthetically, the raised height and Allroad trim looks much better than the normal Avant, especially in a darker grey or blue.

Quattro on the Allroad is also a plus, especially on gravel or in the wet, but it does go through tyres quicker (tyres were fairly new when we bought the Allroad and all 4 had to be replaced after about 45,000km whereas I only replaced the front set on my sedan at about 60,000km and the other 2 at 85,000km).

How do you find body roll with the raised ride height of the Allroad? I have heard some reviews say the ride isn't as plush and rolls a lot more in the corners. My current car is charcoal gray but I think I will probably go for a plain white car next. I have seen an RS6 in that Sepang Blue and it looks absolutely gorgeous.

As said above I would most likely not make use of the Quattro AWD that often (hopefully), but tyre wear is something else to consider seeing as the AWD cannot be disabled or turned off until needed.

I'm a relaxed driver and the Multitronic suits me fine (but it's quite lively in Sport mode). This is my 2nd Multitronic (also had a B6 Multitronic) and haven't had any issues. S-Tronic is the better option overall though I think, although as SauronZA mentioned the oil change is a must (and very expensive if done at a dealer. Can't remember, but I thought I read somewhere that special tools are needed to do it). Get the car's service history and make sure that it was done every 60,000km. Also make sure the Mechatronic hasn't given any issues before and have it checked if possible before buying. If there is any problem you'll probably pick it up between N, 1st and 2nd (clicking or a slight judder).

Thank you for the items that I would need to check. The last thing that I would want to do is to buy a lemon and sit with a problem car for the next few years. I'll go read up on what tools are needed to service the gearbox as well. There seems to be plpenty of resources online for the Allroad/Avant but surprisingly few relating to the Diesel engines.

Just for interests' sake, how much are we talking for a replacement mechatronic part?

The other major difference between the 2 is the steering feel. My sedan feels feather light and fairly disconnected compared to the Allroad which has a heavier feel (I guess partly due to quattro) that reminds me of the Q5. I'd recommend you test drive both.Recently had to replace a CV joint on the Allroad which I had done at a CV specialist. Same parts as the normal A4. Found out that the shocks on the Allroad are specialised parts that need to be ordered from the factory. (Another thing to remember is that the Allroad's engine has a higher kW output)

Do you know if both your sedan and the Allroad use the same power steering system? I do recall reading that they switched from hydraulic to electric a while back so I am not sure if this would have any impact on the feeling at all (my guess is yes).

Pity that the shocks are specialist parts, but with them being a relatively scarce model I can sort of understand that as well. Cool, so more pferde under the bonnet. Got it:)
 
Yeah the Quattro also means double the amount of CV joints to look after, so if you don’t plan to use that AWD much it’s probably a bit of a waste.

That being said I would have an Allroad Quattro in a heartbeat, it’s the best all rounder does everything vehicle I can think of.

Yeah I’m gone Korean (and powerless) mostly for the car not being used for its original intent any more and being wasted.
 
Yeah the Quattro also means double the amount of CV joints to look after, so if you don’t plan to use that AWD much it’s probably a bit of a waste.

That being said I would have an Allroad Quattro in a heartbeat, it’s the best all rounder does everything vehicle I can think of.

Yeah I’m gone Korean (and powerless) mostly for the car not being used for its original intent any more and being wasted.

Sounds like my conundrum, I mean I love the look of the Allroad as well but I have no need for the AWD system for 99% of my scenarios. Plain vanilla A4 Avant's seem scarce though, and it also appears as if you can no longer buy them new from Audi so I would hazard a guess that they will only become more scarce as time goes on.

I'm in no rush to buy, but I do want to do my research thoroughly before I commit so the more information I can get on this the better.

How are you finding the Kia? :)
 
Yeah the Sportbacks have mostly taken over the Avant market. It’s not quite the same thing but I think they pitch it like that.

The Kia is great for fuel economy and features, but is obviously useless having a lot less power.

Funnily enough I don’t miss the automatic near as much as the climate control which is the one thing it doesn’t have. I forgot how much of a chore it is to put A/C on and off the whole time.
 
Yeah the Sportbacks have mostly taken over the Avant market. It’s not quite the same thing but I think they pitch it like that.

The Kia is great for fuel economy and features, but is obviously useless having a lot less power.

Funnily enough I don’t miss the automatic near as much as the climate control which is the one thing it doesn’t have. I forgot how much of a chore it is to put A/C on and off the whole time.

It is a pity that they are not selling the Avant range anymore, but I suppose it's not really feasible for them to sell something and maintain the associated support lines for something that doesn't sell well.

Funnily enough I have Climate Control in the i30 but I never use it. Other cars that I have driven will cycle the AC on and off to maintain your set temp, but in the Hyundai it keeps the AC running the whole time but adds heat to the system through the heater matrix to keep the set temperature - a silly system IMHO as it really eats into the fuel economy on a NA 1.6l engine.

I have enjoyed the few auto vehicles that I can recall driving - a Subaru Outback, an FJ Cruiser, a Mitsubishi Outlander and an older Honda Ballade and they were all slushboxes. The only one I have driven that was disappointing was an auto Daihatsu Terios, but that was because the 1.3l engine was terribly underpowered at the altitude I was driving at.
 
It is a pity that they are not selling the Avant range anymore, but I suppose it's not really feasible for them to sell something and maintain the associated support lines for something that doesn't sell well.

Funnily enough I have Climate Control in the i30 but I never use it. Other cars that I have driven will cycle the AC on and off to maintain your set temp, but in the Hyundai it keeps the AC running the whole time but adds heat to the system through the heater matrix to keep the set temperature - a silly system IMHO as it really eats into the fuel economy on a NA 1.6l engine.

I have enjoyed the few auto vehicles that I can recall driving - a Subaru Outback, an FJ Cruiser, a Mitsubishi Outlander and an older Honda Ballade and they were all slushboxes. The only one I have driven that was disappointing was an auto Daihatsu Terios, but that was because the 1.3l engine was terribly underpowered at the altitude I was driving at.

The Auto option on the Kia is just a 4-speed piece of **** so it's not even an option and therefore went manual.
 
So my 8.5 year old 2010 1.8TFSI A3 s-tronic (3 door) with 100,100km on the clock is due for a service by end of this month (the last was 12 months and 25 days ago). I don't think I will have the time to take my car in for a service until the 2nd week of May. There's no harm done waiting that little bit longer to 13.5 months is there, or should I make sure in terms of the service history that I get this done within the 12 months plus 1 months grace period? I've done 13,000km since the last service and the car isn't on any sort of maintenance or service plan.

At this point I'll possibly hang on to it till the wheels fall off as the condition of the car is still pretty good especially the interior. As for major work done on this vehicle, in Feb 2017 an engine overhaul was done (4 x pistons, 4 x conrods and timing chain were replaced). This was done to fix what a high oil usage problem that some older Audi engines experience. My mileage at the time was 70,750km. The oil levels do not budge anymore since this was done.

I'm still on the original brakes (if the vehicle history report is to be believed) and the DSG clutch pack was replaced in Sept 2013.

When does one consider replacing such a vehicle, when maintenance starts to get too regular and expensive? Touch wood I've only spent about 3k on it out of pocket in 8.5 years. After the 5 year Audi Freeway plan ran out I then took out a R380 p.m. Motorite plan for 3 years and didn't claim for a single thing (in retrospect I could have possibly claimed for 2.5k of the out of pocket cost I spent on the number plate light housing unit).
 
So my 8.5 year old 2010 1.8TFSI A3 s-tronic (3 door) with 100,100km on the clock is due for a service by end of this month (the last was 12 months and 25 days ago). I don't think I will have the time to take my car in for a service until the 2nd week of May. There's no harm done waiting that little bit longer to 13.5 months is there, or should I make sure in terms of the service history that I get this done within the 12 months plus 1 months grace period? I've done 13,000km since the last service and the car isn't on any sort of maintenance or service plan.

At this point I'll possibly hang on to it till the wheels fall off as the condition of the car is still pretty good especially the interior. As for major work done on this vehicle, in Feb 2017 an engine overhaul was done (4 x pistons, 4 x conrods and timing chain were replaced). This was done to fix what a high oil usage problem that some older Audi engines experience. My mileage at the time was 70,750km. The oil levels do not budge anymore since this was done.

I'm still on the original brakes (if the vehicle history report is to be believed) and the DSG clutch pack was replaced in Sept 2013.

When does one consider replacing such a vehicle, when maintenance starts to get too regular and expensive? Touch wood I've only spent about 3k on it out of pocket in 8.5 years. After the 5 year Audi Freeway plan ran out I then took out a R380 p.m. Motorite plan for 3 years and didn't claim for a single thing (in retrospect I could have possibly claimed for 2.5k of the out of pocket cost I spent on the number plate light housing unit).
Annoying thing about these at times, nothing goes v wrong when you're covered by the warranty.

I woke say it is good practise to get it fine within the grace period. While I've never met a single buyer even remotely concerned about service timing, it could cost a sale some stage in future.

You have a pretty solid car outside if the items replaced, the EA888 oil fix means a rejuvenated engine, the clutches deal with a large expense. I would however budget some cash for a mechatronic replacement, once the car starts falling hesitations and jerkiness through the gearbox.

Assuming the car is paid off, then this works out to a few months installment so set that aside.

Original brakes: How did this even happen?
 
Annoying thing about these at times, nothing goes v wrong when you're covered by the warranty.

I woke say it is good practise to get it fine within the grace period. While I've never met a single buyer even remotely concerned about service timing, it could cost a sale some stage in future.

You have a pretty solid car outside if the items replaced, the EA888 oil fix means a rejuvenated engine, the clutches deal with a large expense. I would however budget some cash for a mechatronic replacement, once the car starts falling hesitations and jerkiness through the gearbox.

Assuming the car is paid off, then this works out to a few months installment so set that aside.

Original brakes: How did this even happen?

Buy another car when repairs > 12 vehicle finance installments per year.

Other item that could cost you: Water pump/thermostat R12 000 (All VW's have shitty water pumps it seems)
 
Annoying thing about these at times, nothing goes v wrong when you're covered by the warranty.

I woke say it is good practise to get it fine within the grace period. While I've never met a single buyer even remotely concerned about service timing, it could cost a sale some stage in future.

You have a pretty solid car outside if the items replaced, the EA888 oil fix means a rejuvenated engine, the clutches deal with a large expense. I would however budget some cash for a mechatronic replacement, once the car starts falling hesitations and jerkiness through the gearbox.

Assuming the car is paid off, then this works out to a few months installment so set that aside.

Original brakes: How did this even happen?
Thanks Mosgi, yeah car was paid off many years ago, and I've had it since it was 3 months old, I think owned by the factory prior to me.

Cash price on a mechatronic if from a non-Audi dealership?

I brake only when necessary, time my accelerations too when I see robots ahead so that I don't waste fuel or brake pads...

There was a period about a year or so ago where the brakes were braking funny, so then I made a habit of braking more and then it came right. I don't know the technical explanation as to why this came right or what the original problem was
 
Thanks Mosgi, yeah car was paid off many years ago, and I've had it since it was 3 months old, I think owned by the factory prior to me.

Cash price on a mechatronic if from a non-Audi dealership?

I brake only when necessary, time my accelerations too when I see robots ahead so that I don't waste fuel or brake pads...

There was a period about a year or so ago where the brakes were braking funny, so then I made a habit of braking more and then it came right. I don't know the technical explanation as to why this came right or what the original problem was

Look, I'd say also Join in on one of the WhatsApp & Facebook groups. I have a parts guy, who I used for my S5 and got OEM or Bosch parts.

Cash price varies, I was quoted R40k for both clutches and Mecha worst case scenario, so actually not "that" bad. Get a warranty tho, dampens the impact.

Noisy brakes are an Audi/Porsche/ VW trait. The even released a statement to ask people to stop complaining.

Remember the best car is the one you have and the one you have paid off... Depreciation is lower, parts are cheaper so absolutely hundreds.

Realistically I got my first Audi first value, and cheap parts since they're shared with many VW parts. Kinda why even a Cayenne makes sense later if you need to, since parts are shared and available even from Goldwagen parts. You have a good car, one if you wanted could be modified to extreme levels, with IHI turbos etc.
 
Thanks Mosgi, yeah car was paid off many years ago, and I've had it since it was 3 months old, I think owned by the factory prior to me.

Cash price on a mechatronic if from a non-Audi dealership?

I brake only when necessary, time my accelerations too when I see robots ahead so that I don't waste fuel or brake pads...

There was a period about a year or so ago where the brakes were braking funny, so then I made a habit of braking more and then it came right. I don't know the technical explanation as to why this came right or what the original problem was

So just stop using the dealerships and keep the car.

Put the instalments away somewhere accessible
To self insure for something going very wrong.

When it doesn’t have an awesome holiday.

The car is a known quantity. Anything else, even brand new is a gamble.
 
So just stop using the dealerships and keep the car.
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Yeah I didn't use the Audi dealership for the last service, I used an independent workshop I meant to say. I always save for a rainy day so any maintenance costs that come up I will be able to cover.
 
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Realistically I got my first Audi first value, and cheap parts since they're shared with many VW parts. Kinda why even a Cayenne makes sense later if you need to, since parts are shared and available even from Goldwagen parts. You have a good car, one if you wanted could be modified to extreme levels, with IHI turbos etc.
Thanks, I had a glance at what the AA maintenance/warranty plan covers and costs, but due to the age of my vehicle it doesn't seem all that worthwhile because the cost of the once off premium is around the limit of what they will pay our per incident.

These IHI turbos you speak of, are they safe to do, what sort of cost is one looking at? If I did something like that I wouldn't go extreme, but I'd be tempted to a something moderate to improve performance.

I tend to drive in sport mode, even though it revs a bit high quite often. When it does that and once I've reached speed then I upshift manually using my paddle shifts or I shift into drive mode. My fuel consumption if the trip computer is correct is around 9l per 100km, is that high for a 2010 1.8TFSI?
 
Thanks, I had a glance at what the AA maintenance/warranty plan covers and costs, but due to the age of my vehicle it doesn't seem all that worthwhile because the cost of the once off premium is around the limit of what they will pay our per incident.

These IHI turbos you speak of, are they safe to do, what sort of cost is one looking at? If I did something like that I wouldn't go extreme, but I'd be tempted to a something moderate to improve performance.

I tend to drive in sport mode, even though it revs a bit high quite often. When it does that and once I've reached speed then I upshift manually using my paddle shifts or I shift into drive mode. My fuel consumption if the trip computer is correct is around 9l per 100km, is that high for a 2010 1.8TFSI?

Hard to say on fuel consumption too many variables. However I was about that level on my 2.0T 132kw which was specifically set up for efficiency.

Fair point on the warranty cover, usually useful in that you pay one amount and you get multiple components covered, tried to get thr AA doc, not sure if you can share it, they were appalling at getting back to me.

In fairness given that you haven't changed brakes I dont think the upgrades would be worth it for you and your driving style. It awakens the car but also opens up a new can of worms. Better to rather keep it reliable and working as it should.
 
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